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Viva Jolla!! But without loser Jussa. They need Stalin to make sure beta OS is not released
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2012-10-24
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Originally Posted by volt
If they are software company, why do they keep releasing beta OSs? Tell me why? N8=beta, n900=beta, n9=beta. Can they ever complete anything ?
Nokia is not a software OS?
Symbian and the S-series have been running on more devices than Windows, if I am not mistaken. S40 alone has been on more than 1.5 billion devices.
Does that mean that Microsoft isn't a software company, too?
I am so fed up with the blatant trolls ruining this place, I think I will leave TMO for good soon. But then, that's why they're here.
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2012-10-24
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
The industry (phone analysts) do not laugh at Tomi, that should tell you something. But he's mad as a hatter. And he keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Haha Tomi is like the anti-Lumiaman...He'll massage facts (Q4, '10 wtf?) to just get his bias points across..
Oh and the "Source" of his figures and diagrams never fail to amaze me...Both Tomi and Lumiaman are those who you just want to laugh at...
Up until and including Q4 2010, Nokia sales were going up (in numbers of units). I were following them closely. Not because I have a thing for Symbian, because I don't, but because everybody everywhere (read: american tech bloggers and their european translators) were writing about how bad Nokia was failing, when it simply wasn't true. They were selling MORE AND MORE.
But the burning memo wasn't until middle Q1 2011, right? The Q1 numbers are down, but you can't see the day of the turning on the graph. What he's plotted in is one number in the middle of each quarter, and then there's a line between them. The plotting of the graph is correct.
Anyway, it IS a fact that everybody dropped anything Nokia in fear and pain on February 11th. Just check Google Stocks. The leaking of the memo was an accident and the February 11th speech were premature, the strategy wasn't ready and there were no devices to show for months. It was a huge failure.
There are ways to roll out a business strategy change and there are ways not to do it. To kill your milk cow without having any replacement ready is the way not to do it.
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You can say Jolla OS is Vertu as much as you want, but Jolla and Vertu are competitors now. Vertu is just interested in making hardware for a segment that's willing to pay an extra premium, and they need a sales bullet point list that lists something people were going to buy anyway. Jolla OS isn't that. Jolla OS is Yallah OS to everybody in the world except a handful people who know too much about mobile tech.
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2012-10-25
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Originally Posted by volt
Yes I know about post-Feb. '11 and its consequences very well...This is what I've been saying so many times...The memo, announcment etc should not have happened...WP could still be adapted but with a caveat that Nokia will be going on a multi-OS strategy so allowing Symbian to continue its growth and die a more natural death etc...
Anyway, it IS a fact that everybody dropped anything Nokia in fear and pain on February 11th. Just check Google Stocks. The leaking of the memo was an accident and the February 11th speech were premature, the strategy wasn't ready and there were no devices to show for months. It was a huge failure.
There are ways to roll out a business strategy change and there are ways not to do it. To kill your milk cow without having any replacement ready is the way not to do it.
However, the announcement did the most damage as developers etc just dropped Symbian like a hot potato after that...
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2012-10-25
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Dude... with a name like Lumia, there's no room to talk about beta OS's.
If they are software company, why do they keep releasing beta OSs? Tell me why? N8=beta, n900=beta, n9=beta. Can they ever complete anything ?
WP7, WP7.5... c'mon dawg. I actually use and own a Lumia and can say that the polish is only so deep on those operating systems and WP7.x feels like a decidedly beta operating system.
I can admit that MeeGo on the N9 isn't as polished as I'd personally like, but it's not Android - sorry, but I actually feel like Android 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean) is a really polished OS - nor is it iOS, which felt polished in iOS 5.x, but not so much in this newest iteration (all my opinion).
In fact, none of these mobile OS's feel like a true, final OS - again, my opinion. But if I had to do it all over again, I would have picked and stayed on my N9 and waited out for WP8 to get a proper metric of which OS and ecosystem (dirty word, I know) I'd rather go with than suffer through the early iOS days, anything before Gingerbread on Android and any iteration of WP7 before WP8.
Anyway, I know you're semi-trolling, but you're much smarter than your prior statement my man...
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2012-10-25
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Betas? Google: Gmail. Microsoft: Windows ME, Vista, 8.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
I agree, by committing to offering WPx exclusively they painted themselves into a corner and lost control of their own destiny. As for publicly announcing your own operating systems EOL nearly a full year before you'll have anything viable to replace them with, well... you'd either have to be an imbecile or a saboteur.
Yes I know about post-Feb. '11 and its consequences very well...This is what I've been saying so many times...The memo, announcment etc should not have happened...WP could still be adapted but with a caveat that Nokia will be going on a multi-OS strategy so allowing Symbian to continue its growth and die a more natural death etc...
Originally Posted by thedead1440
Carriers and retailers too. Certainly here in the UK it was astonishing how quickly NOKIA disappeared from their offerings after that.
However, the announcement did the most damage as developers etc just dropped Symbian like a hot potato after that...
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I have four Android devices, some running 2.3 some running 4.0. For the most part I really like Android but I find all my Android devices have freezing issues and need to be rebooted quite regularly.
I can admit that MeeGo on the N9 isn't as polished as I'd personally like, but it's not Android - sorry, but I actually feel like Android 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean) is a really polished OS - nor is it iOS, which felt polished in iOS 5.x, but not so much in this newest iteration (all my opinion).
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Again I say JollaOS==Vertu
Last edited by mikecomputing; 2012-10-24 at 16:44.