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2010-06-15
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No need to rip. What I'm saying it's no trivial task to bring the full Flash 10.1 feature set and improvements to Linux in a simple manner (there was a reason why Maemo was the only mobile platform with full flash until the HTC Hero).
The crux of the matter is that we are not Adobe's customers but Nokia's, and IMHO that's why people feel Nokia should do "something", even if it is something as unrealistic as taking over the ARM Linux port. Adobe does NOT consider us, end users as customers, that's why their multiplatform support was always such a hit-and-miss issue (I found it odd that lately Qt, a *native* application framework has far better coverage and quality than something linked to web technologies and with such a powerhouse as Adobe behind their back). Which actually is part of the problem. Until they can sell the platform as something with 99% penetration, it doesn't matter how slow, outdated or hacky a particular device's support is as long as it's there. This is now coming around, as with the iOS turn of events, they no longer have ubiquity and they actually have to pedal to keep their positions, or risk other platforms following suit, which *would* be a serious blow to the actual source of income for Flash. Adobe WAS lazy when it comes to platform breadth, lulled by it's dominance and lack of true competition, that much at least is true from what Jobs said.
The crux of the matter is that we are not Adobe's customers but Nokia's, and IMHO that's why people feel Nokia should do "something", even if it is something as unrealistic as taking over the ARM Linux port. Adobe does NOT consider us, end users as customers, that's why their multiplatform support was always such a hit-and-miss issue (I found it odd that lately Qt, a *native* application framework has far better coverage and quality than something linked to web technologies and with such a powerhouse as Adobe behind their back). Which actually is part of the problem. Until they can sell the platform as something with 99% penetration, it doesn't matter how slow, outdated or hacky a particular device's support is as long as it's there. This is now coming around, as with the iOS turn of events, they no longer have ubiquity and they actually have to pedal to keep their positions, or risk other platforms following suit, which *would* be a serious blow to the actual source of income for Flash. Adobe WAS lazy when it comes to platform breadth, lulled by it's dominance and lack of true competition, that much at least is true from what Jobs said.
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2010-06-15
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Originally Posted by mayfairman
Because we saw that video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pee3nT4bPw4
Im not sure why people think it is coming at all, the n900 is below adobes min spec for WVGA devices as its minimum spec for ARM chipsets is 800Mhz, and we've only a lowly 600Mhz out of the box.
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2010-06-15
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I have a question: Why doesn't Adobe release a version of Flash for the iPod Touch / iPhone / iPad? Has Apple forbid it? Is Adobe too proud to make a free player for the platform that has snubbed them?
Seems that Adobe is being most foolish in the mobile Apple world. Compared to that foolishness, the Nokia stuff seems tiny...
Seems that Adobe is being most foolish in the mobile Apple world. Compared to that foolishness, the Nokia stuff seems tiny...
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2010-06-15
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Originally Posted by qole
Apple has completely c*ckblocked Adobe from their mobile software ecosystem. The story goes that Jobs begged Adobe for support on iPhone 1.0 and he was snubbed...
I have a question: Why doesn't Adobe release a version of Flash for the iPod Touch / iPhone / iPad? Has Apple forbid it? Is Adobe too proud to make a free player for the platform that has snubbed them?
Seems that Adobe is being most foolish in the mobile Apple world. Compared to that foolishness, the Nokia stuff seems tiny...
Now Jobs made sure that no Adobe codes can squeak through his ecosystem by putting legal blocks in the Apple's Developers Agreement: all interpreter/interpreted codes has to get Apple's approval before they're let through the golden sh*t gate.
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2010-06-15
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Originally Posted by qole
you mean like Flash Lite for symbian? yeah......good one
I have a question: Why doesn't Adobe release a version of Flash for the iPod Touch / iPhone / iPad? Has Apple forbid it? Is Adobe too proud to make a free player for the platform that has snubbed them?
Seems that Adobe is being most foolish in the mobile Apple world. Compared to that foolishness, the Nokia stuff seems tiny...
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N900: 1000/1150mhz; sampling_rate 15; up_threshold 150000;
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N900: 1000/1150mhz; sampling_rate 15; up_threshold 150000;
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2010-06-15
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So even if Adobe published a Flash player for iPhone, and had a download page on their website, nobody could install it because Adobe wouldn't be allowed to put it into the App Store? Wow. I think at this point, Adobe should get down on their knees and offer to lick Jobs' shoes. Otherwise Flash will be going the way of the floppy drive.
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2010-06-15
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@qole: well yeah, except that ALL iphone\touch\ipad software sales and distribution goes through the iTunes' Store. So they cannot just offer a binary on their webpage... this will only work for jailbroken iDevice and developer's device. There is a seldom used way to manually distribute your binary and manually signing the distributed blob by the user's iDevice's serial number, but i think that's mainly designed for beta testing and enterprise distribution with (relatively) limited users...
Adobe actually already have a flash repackager (for iphone/touch) in their latest Creative Suite but its use is pretty much nullified by Jobs change of the Apple's Developers Agreement. If I'm not mistaken they've a preliminary version of html5 repackager now instead.
I'm not sure about flash going the way of the floppy drive
but I'm pretty sure a good portion of its uses are displaced by applets (apple's, android's, etc) because of the potential of monetization and higher control.
Adobe actually already have a flash repackager (for iphone/touch) in their latest Creative Suite but its use is pretty much nullified by Jobs change of the Apple's Developers Agreement. If I'm not mistaken they've a preliminary version of html5 repackager now instead.
I'm not sure about flash going the way of the floppy drive
but I'm pretty sure a good portion of its uses are displaced by applets (apple's, android's, etc) because of the potential of monetization and higher control.
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2010-06-15
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Originally Posted by qole
With all respect to you.. are you the guy who tell us the rumor that Flash 10.1 will not coming on N900? No offense but I fill much better now
I have a question: Why doesn't Adobe release a version of Flash for the iPod Touch / iPhone / iPad? Has Apple forbid it? Is Adobe too proud to make a free player for the platform that has snubbed them?
Seems that Adobe is being most foolish in the mobile Apple world. Compared to that foolishness, the Nokia stuff seems tiny...
I would really like to post the link to release notes from Adobe but still doesn't work! And I was reading about all detailed technical restrictions and requirements.
The most important message was all of delays was because of vendors (of specific devices) Didn't provide driver support! Who does, get it working. Flash 10.1 is working itself. Don't be surprised if you can't see any significant performance boost on PC because it wasn't about PC at all. There is only some range graphic cards with up-to-date drivers. Adobe couldn't wait for guys they are busy with other things and will not provide any information! Same with Apple! But those guys did this intentionally and officially. Others are partners that didn't provided enough information end of story.
Can you write a game for my device if i will not give you a driver for my graphic card even if OS is yours? C'mon people!
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2010-06-15
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Originally Posted by qole
You had to be busy last couple of weeks if you don't know the Steve Gate case. Even if Adobe could by brute force develop flash plug-in for iPhone. Apple didn't provide any technical information/drivers to do so. I believe would take next decade to guess how it works without spec
So even if Adobe published a Flash player for iPhone, and had a download page on their website, nobody could install it because Adobe wouldn't be allowed to put it into the App Store? Wow. I think at this point, Adobe should get down on their knees and offer to lick Jobs' shoes. Otherwise Flash will be going the way of the floppy drive.
. But this story went beyond that. Flash guys 2-3 years ago begun Alchemy project. Now some achievements of this has been included in Adobe CS5. What this stuff can do? Writing game,app whatever, and compiling it to native C. Yes.. cross compiler. And in CS5 Adobe officially added direct compilation to the C targeting iPhone. And the war begun!Amazingly other platforms like for example Unity3D are not banned.
Even some open source language based on Action Script called HaXe using similar approach to cross-compile to c++ and is possible to target iPhone as well. Also is not banned. Hope you have more clear picture of this situation. I don't even mention about reasons Jobs gave us in official letter because I don't want to be p**** of once again...
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I'm not Adobe and cannot answer your questions about the rest but I would have to say that it's more than likely experience with that OS and the lack of frameworks that are universal enough to be tapped as a potential issue. And that's a rather uneducated guess mind you... so feel free to rip apart and educate me on that part.