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Long story short: yes, Linux distributions have lots and lots of GNU-derived software in them. But there is also lots of software in them that were never developed by the GNU project, and the GNU software itself almost all derives from work created elsewhere in the decades before Stallman started his effort.
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Er, what?!? A very major reason why Linux uptake skyrocketed while projects like Hurd never got off the ground is that Linus balked at supporting GPLv3, which had major anti-commercial language inserted into it. Him dragging his feet and continuing to use GPLv2 for the licensing of Linux is what helped a lot of corporations to remain in the Linux distribution business...
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I'm referring to the fact that Torvalds originally had not put the Linux kernel under the GPL, but under a license of his own. This original license said the kernel mustn't be distributed for money. Only later did he change the license to GPL when he was asked to do so.
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BTW, what about UDF? Apparently it should be supported by Windows at least and should handle big filesystem sizes just fine.
Why is nobody speaking about the obvious solution? exfat support should be a paid "app" and cost exactly what it costs to license it from microsoft and it should say so in the app description. It could also be an "upgrade" for $XX that you select when buying the device.
I don't care about making an account there, but the reply to "If you want this to end educate your friends/relatives/whatever" should be to make a pop up: They will just plugin their sd card and get a pop up: "Want to use this sd card with exfat? Microsoft requires you to buy an exfat license for $XX to do that" and then allow them to easily buy such a license.
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Re: paying the exFAT license "on demand."
Yes, that would be the perfect solution. In fact, it really is the obvious solution, not just for Jolla, but for any manufacturer trying to deal with the M$ tax. The fact that it has never been done before leads me to believe that Microsoft would never go for it. It's a lot easier for Microsoft to force a given manufacturer to give in to their demands and provide a single lump sum payment, rather than trying to license each user individually.
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Let's go a bit _further_ back, some time in the 1960s. The telephone company AT&T was near the height of its power, with loads of cash to spend on research and development. (Ever heard of the name "Bell Labs"?) Anyway, it was there that the portable, multi-user, multi-tasking Unix operating system was created, along with the portable C language in which it was mainly implemented. And in that day, Unix was a relatively lightweight OS as well. This was a killer combination, ensuring that Unix could be adapted to all sorts of hardware relatively quickly.
Unfortunately for AT&T, anti-trust laws in the US made it extremely hard for them to expand into new businesses, such as selling computer operating systems. As such, Unix was used internally, as well as being presented to various universities with a license to use it for research purposes.
Still more unfortunately for AT&T, their baby managed to escape their grasp once it was given out to universities, particularly given that they had provided access to the source code. AT&T eventually tried to pull everything back, and put a trademark on the name "Unix", but that caused a minor rebellion; many folks tried to cobble together unix-like environments that didn't fall under AT&T's restrictions at this time, including Stallman. However, the most successful of these projects was not Stallman's, but rather the effort at Berkely (where items like vi, csh, curses, and the early versions of sendmail were developed).
Still, all these efforts were big projects at big organizations. (Including Stallman's GNU.) It was Andy Tannenbaum's Minix, the little OS you could install on your PC by yourself, that really got the ball rolling on making Unix something personal. Distributions began to evolve around Minix, using various bits and pieces derived from the BSD and GNU projects (as well as others).
My understanding is that the idea he could create his own replacement for Minix is what drove Torvalds to design his own kernel. And, by releasing it with an open-source license, Torvalds pretty much solved the last piece holding back wide adoption of the Unix OS as an alternative to, well, pretty much everything else in the world. (Berkeley tried to compete by making their BSD system more and more free of AT&T, culminating in the 4.4BSD release in the early 90s with 4.4BSD-lite being completely free, but they were never able to quite regain their lead over the Linux-based distributions. Still, BSD is extremely popular, and of course, is running beneath Apple's OSX and iOS operating systems.)
Stallman's drive to make the world open has, indeed, been a core reason for the success of the various GNU utilities and applications, as well as a major impetus behind the rise of Linux-based distributions. But it is not the _only_ factor. The reason why GNU utilities are so powerful, the reason why Linux is so portable, the reason why the OS as a whole is so useful, all go back to the design decisions of those ingenious Bell Labs folks back in the 60s.
Long story short: yes, Linux distributions have lots and lots of GNU-derived software in them. But there is also lots of software in them that were never developed by the GNU project, and the GNU software itself almost all derives from work created elsewhere in the decades before Stallman started his effort.
So no, "GNU/Linux" is not the appropriate way to name a Linux distribution. You can call it that, but you're leaving out a whole lot of other folks who put their lives into the project.
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