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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
...To help, consider that it is pretty much the same size as Maemo on the NIT in windowed mode....
Well, windowed mode and 80% zoom, non?

EDIT - And on my N800, windowed mode means about 3.8" diagonal. Don't forget that also that the aspect ratio of windowed mode is also not the same as a 3.5" screen.
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I don't need or want a $700 phone. I have the perfect phone and it was free. TI didn't make the OMAP3 so I can sound better to friends and family. And none of you originally came to this forum to talk about phones. If you did, go away.

I have my phone company right where I want them, in that sh*tty little free phone. I'm done writing about phones. It's really boring.
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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
This is a notable shift in rhetoric. It is alien to what ITT has always stood for. No wonder ITT had to be downplayed. This was not simply a move to make ITT and maemo.org more efficient -- this was a carefully planned move to change course completely while pretending that nothing unusual was going on.
You didn't see that coming? Maemo is not tied to Nokia but you're ofcourse free to make your own community and/or hardware product. Then you will have to make all those difficult design choices, and deal with a vocal community living in nostalgia. Maybe you will fail, maybe succeed, but it will be damn hard pleasing everyone because sacrifices are made and the product is commercial.

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Boy does this sound like an Apple commercial
Too bad you put the tag of a corporation instead of a product by the corporation. You could have said GNOME or maybe the other sounds like KDE 1 or Windows 95. Or TWM...

But wait, we must give people the choice between ALSA and OSS, ESD, aRTs, Pulse, Jack. We must force them to chose for them, because then they are truelly free... and we must allow them their own libc, and their own compiler... we don't do that, right? We provide them the best libc and best compiler for the job because we make their life easier. In some cases we keep in mind the user wants choice, in other we don't keep this in mind or we make it impossible (MSIE, or DRM, ...)

And in what way is this different than what you have now ? You have one mail app, one browser, one AIM, one <you name it> installed from Nokia repos. For everything else the daring souls can go to extras.
(The quality is sometimes questionable, and some stuff like PIM is not available, but otherwise you're right and the wide adoption of libpurple is a great example of libraries being reused. Because that is what you can compare to really.)

The tablets were not aimed at specific use cases; or at least their original use cases were abandoned by its users. But now those same users think that will always remain possible with the next Nokia/Maemo product. Impossible. We have people who want to use a capacitive touchscreen with Maemo which requires different applications and UI design choices. We have people who want to use stylus. We have people who do not want 24/7 connectivity. We have people who want big screens for e-books. You simply cannot please everyone! So you vote Red, Blue, or Green.

Application managers are always a mess because there are so many overlappings, some are just better sorted than others, but its always hard to make this informative. Users want to be able to know the clear differences between the choices they're able to make. So that is why we have those community and review sites for products, and thats where word of mouth works well.
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Originally Posted by daperl View Post
I don't need or want a $700 phone. I have the perfect phone and it was free. TI didn't make the OMAP3 so I can sound better to friends and family. And none of you originally came to this forum to talk about phones. If you did, go away.

I have my phone company right where I want them, in that sh*tty little free phone. I'm done writing about phones. It's really boring.
Smartphone. What you call phone I start more and more seeing as backwards compatibility (GSM standard). Because in a few years we don't use GSM anymore, it is all-IP, and we simply use SIP or VoIP. In that time Nokia does not manufacturer phones anymore, they make devices which are backwards compatible with GSM, or they make devices with which you can use audio to have contact with someone (besides text, video). This device is simply a Maemo/Linux version of a bridge between that, and instead of initially being said to be data-only it now also does voice. Which allows the backwards compatibility to be easier integrated in the whole Maemo stack (with a seperate device for phone/GSM that'd been harder) IOW oFone. But I believe Nokia will also dabble into different form factors so perhaps make a product which is like a big tablet (netbook-alike) running Maemo. Perhaps portable enough for former tablet users.
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And none of you originally came to this forum to talk about phones. If you did, go away.
We did not come here to talk about phones and that was true. But we still want to talk about phones and we are not going away!

It's not about phones, tvs, radios, gps, wifi,wimax, ... but we want everything on the ITs if possible; but we also know that it could not happen at this time. Did someone cry when the N810 did not come out with the FM? I still hate the N810 taking away the internal SD slot!

My 12 year old nice still would not trade my N810 for her IPod Touch after I showed her what my N810 could do! So you can see that maybe and maybe Nokia is trying to target a different segment of users and not for geeks any more.

If the N900 still support bluetooth I can survive smaller screen size with a bluetooth keyboard but I won't pay a premium for an unlocked phone. Even the N900 will support a better finger interface I still cry for my stylus!

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Again, no one originally came here to talk about communication technology or how our bits were going to get to point b. WiFi was it. Would you buy this next device if it didn't have WiFi? Would you not buy this next device if it didn't have cell phone technology? If you answered yes to either question, please leave now. Goodbye and good luck.
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Originally Posted by EIPI View Post
Well, windowed mode and 80% zoom, non?

EDIT - And on my N800, windowed mode means about 3.8" diagonal. Don't forget that also that the aspect ratio of windowed mode is also not the same as a 3.5" screen.
Thanks for this clarification!

I notice that my screen has a small border in window'd mode, so the diagonal is roughly 3.5", though as you mention the aspect ratio is different. Even given all of this, it still should be adequate to get a feel of interfacing with a smaller screen.


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Again, no one originally came here to talk about communication technology or how our bits were going to get to point b. WiFi was it. Would you buy this next device if it didn't have WiFi? Would you not buy this next device if it didn't have cell phone technology? If you answered yes to either question, please leave now. Goodbye and good luck.
..but now WiFi is not 'it' anymore because the world has evolved. People own smartphones now, and have a 24/7 data subscription. 802.11 evolved too, you know. The world changes. BlueTooth 3 and 802.11n will arrive. LTE will arrive. New Nokia devices will support all that eventually. And people who want HSPA on their Maemo device are now actually more than welcome here because their needs will be filled by Nokia... they shouldn't leave, au contraire...
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I think my iPod touch is less voluminous than my phone. I dig that. Is there such a thing as a 3.5" 800X480 capacitive touch screen?
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Again, no one originally came here to talk about communication technology or how our bits were going to get to point b. WiFi was it. Would you buy this next device if it didn't have WiFi? Would you not buy this next device if it didn't have cell phone technology? If you answered yes to either question, please leave now. Goodbye and good luck.
what i came to these forums to talk about is maemo, and maemo based devices, and I'm not going anywhere. Maybe, instead, you should consider whether or not you belong here ... and whether or not it's time to leave your immature "only talk about what _I_ like" attitude at the door.
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