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	tso	2008-06-15 , 12:25
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Nokia strives for an open approach to technology that will encourage and support innovation in the industry, enable fast adoption of new technologies and advance healthy competition. Nokia embraces open source technology and will take further the open source development culture found in Trolltech.

if this isnt a perfect of marketspeak, where much is spoken, but not much said, i dont know what is...

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	qgil	2008-06-15 , 12:33
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Originally Posted by mwiktowy

However, the debatable thing is the direction they are pointing in for the future thrust.

As I see it, Ari wasn't pointing to the future of Nokia but to the present in the mobile industry, highly conditioned to the operators and content providers business models.

The majority of free software developers know about the computer industry, but not necessarely about the mobile industry. The open source code might be the same, but the actors, business models and even legislations around that code are very different. Knowing about the differences can't be harmful for those willing to see open source winning in the mobile space as well.

The reason that people are negatively vocal is not because they seek to damage Nokia but rather they want to make sure Nokia keeps steering the the more open course

Fair enough. Please point loudly to any product fitting in your pocket more open and successful than the most open&successful Nokia product, now or in the future.

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	qgil	2008-06-15 , 12:44
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Originally Posted by tso

if this isnt a perfect of marketspeak, where much is spoken, but not much said, i dont know what is...

If you have further questions about that joint press release issued months ago by Nokia and Trolltech, you can ask any of the contacts at the end of the page. Emails and phone numbers available.

For what is worth, my translation of that paragraph in plain English is that Nokia wants to keep Qt open, available to third parties and developed with the usual open source ways of working.

If someone is still reading between the lines that Nokia will close Qt and keep it for itself...

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	tso	2008-06-15 , 12:46
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meh, just me playing buzzword bingo

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	benny1967	2008-06-15 , 13:37
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Originally Posted by linux_author

2: if Nokia screws with QT releases, QT will be freed from Trolltech

... but also no longer be protected by the GPL. I very much doubt that a non-copyleft-license like BSD can be seen as a bright future.

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	Karel Jansens	2008-06-15 , 14:10
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Originally Posted by qgil

If you have further questions about that joint press release issued months ago by Nokia and Trolltech, you can ask any of the contacts at the end of the page. Emails and phone numbers available.

For what is worth, my translation of that paragraph in plain English is that Nokia wants to keep Qt open, available to third parties and developed with the usual open source ways of working.

If someone is still reading between the lines that Nokia will close Qt and keep it for itself...

"developed with the usual open source ways of working" =! keep it under the GPL license.

So, is QT going to be kept under the GPL or not? There's no room for marketing speak in the answer, just a "yes" or a "no" will more than suffise.

(I'm betting I won't get either though...)

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	qgil	2008-06-15 , 14:46
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

"developed with the usual open source ways of working" =! keep it under the GPL license.

So, is QT going to be kept under the GPL or not? There's no room for marketing speak in the answer, just a "yes" or a "no" will more than suffise.

(I'm betting I won't get either though...)

Keeping on quoting public information, this time again the Open letter to KDE and the Open Source community sent by Trolltech and Nokia last January:

We will continue to actively develop Qt and Qtopia. We also want to underline that we will continue to support the open source community by continuing to release these technologies under the GPL.

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sjgadsby	2008-06-15 , 15:09
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Originally Posted by qgil

The majority of free software developers know about the computer industry, but not necessarely about the mobile industry.

I can't but wonder if the intersection of those upset by Dr. Jaaksi's words and those who use Nvidia's binary drivers is non-empty.

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	benny1967	2008-06-15 , 15:14
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Originally Posted by qgil

c) Why to wait for the answer of a marketing guy from Nokia when you can get an answer from the relevant sources. Ask the maintainers of the Linux kernel, X.org, the relevant projects at freedesktop.org and GNOME whether they think Nokia gives back and plays by the rules of the community. Seriously, they have public communication channels and email addresses.

Just for the records: My original posting was not about what I think about Nokia and what I want you to do. - I tried to explain what I see going on around me and what I'd suggest as a possible way of correcting the public image. I do know how to get information about where and how Nokia contributed (although i have to admit I don't use these sources because I'm too lazy and I believe all of what you say anyway. Personal trust beats facts

). My suggestion was to do real marketing about it. Be loud. Make sure there's no way people can not hear it. It might be necessary because while I'm only too lazy, others might really not know the sources and are even more lazy.

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	ysss	2008-06-15 , 15:15
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Is there any particular webpage or article to read for the open source users to be 'educated'? Preferably with the modified socratic method as mentioned by Bruce, so that it won't bruise their ego so much in the effort to understand things..