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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by bblackmoor
Those are all things I do on my desktop.
No OpenOffice, no Thunderbird, no World Of Warcraft or any other PC game, no Adobe Photoshop ... this list goes on and on.
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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by gompers
So, here are a few ideas.
The n800 isn't sold as a enterprise PIM device, like a blackberry or palm, and it isn't one. Using it as one is not going to be a satisfying experience, IMO.
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A. There are industrial strength PIMs that a business exec would use for his or her complex schedule and then there are simpler PIMs that everyone else can use. ( I don't know, you make up the catagories)
B. So there are these partially functional PIMs we all now know about on the n800 and my guess is that Nokia is sort of hoping that one of them will work out enough to quiet enough of it's critics.
C. So, short of satisfying the business exec which we don't think is going to happen on this devise anyway, what level of functionality do the current PIM options need to arrive at to satisfy the rest of us?
It just seems to me that a 'real' highly functional PIM system is probably not something that Nokia wants to get involved in because of the complexity involved. So, you say it ain't that hard. Well, if it ain't that hard why is GPE taking so long? I mentioned Garnet VM earlier in this thread because it's working quite good for me. And again I guess it depends on what level of PIM you need. Garnet gets shot down because for some of us it's not working right. But if you read through the threads in the Palm section here you can see that quite a few people have it working. And I would remind you guys that the Garnet VM is a BETA. Why are we so impatient with it? It appears to me to do good basic PIMing by syncing between N800 and Desktop .
So maybe the thing to do is come to some sort of idea what we want in a PIM. It appears to me that between the lines there are much different ideas of what it should be/do.
I don't mean to be some sort of shil for Garnet VM. If something on the N800 was working better for me I'd be all over it. But I really don't think Garnet would have to go much further to have a basic stable, usable by the masses rather than the execs, PIM. As it is now, it's quite useable but ya, it's apparently not what it is on a treo.
So, what does a PIM need to be to satisfy your needs?
Neil
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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by bblackmoor
Set your Hotsync ID on your desktop, then sync. I also tried the /usr/bin/gvm/gvm --hotsyncid="username:number" (you need the number) thing and it also works. You probably need to complete a sync before you have a HotSync ID..!
Yes.
1) It's not stable.
2) Sync does not work. It gets about halfway through and then disconnects. I gave up after a dozen tries over several days to get a hotsync to complete successfully. It never did, not once.
3) It's *tiny*. The Palm T5 screen is roughly the same size as that of the n810. The Garnet VM "screen" is roughly one-third that size, if that.
4) It does not have access to the n810 file system nor to the removable SD card.
5) There is no way to set the Hotsync ID (yes, I have tried the various suggestions in this forum: they do not work), which means there is no way to register 90% of the software that one would use to do real work.
The Garnet VM sounds great in theory. In practice: not so much.
Sync is very picky but it does work. On your desktop HotSync Manager manager, disable everything you can. "Do Not Synchronize". Let it run through. Make sure you DISABLE "System" syncing, this was the biggest problem I had. It appears GVM sees Hotsync trying to overwrite the system and kills the connection abruptly, hence the "Connection lost"
Turn back on the following conduits:
- Date Book
- Address Book
- Memo Pad
- Quick Install
Does it work?
#3 looks like it will be implemented... eventually. Actually I have a theory. I wonder why Palm apps need to look like Palm apps. Aren't many of them dynamic according to the size of the Palm screen? Couldn't Access make them somewhat seamless? Replace the fonts with system fonts? Replace the DIA with the hildon input method?
#4 stinks, yes.
This is a horrible, useless beta program. You need dialogue with your users to make a true beta. This is more of a technology preview. I hope they open up a little.
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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
Palm's guidelines said to specify everything in terms of screen percentages.
. I wonder why Palm apps need to look like Palm apps. Aren't many of them dynamic according to the size of the Palm screen?
Unfortunately most developers chose to specify pixel counts.
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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
I agree with this. Why put the Garnet VM out like this and then put virtually 0 support out? I think the biggest problem is that we are trying to use it with very little information available.
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This is a horrible, useless beta program. You need dialogue with your users to make a true beta. This is more of a technology preview. I hope they open up a little.
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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
Set your Hotsync ID on your desktop, then sync. I also tried the /usr/bin/gvm/gvm --hotsyncid="username:number" (you need the number) thing and it also works. You probably need to complete a sync before you have a HotSync ID..!
Sync is very picky but it does work. .
I just stumbled on a link to a piece of software for the palm that the user of a tablet mentioned in his blog. It looks like something that could be helpful for those who need a tool to help with syncing problems in the GVM. It's called Change Name.
Here is the link to it : http://www.mulliner.org/palm/changename.php
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2008-01-28
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Originally Posted by sungrove
Apparently this doesn't *quite* work right on the GVM. I did use this to find out my Hotsync User ID (not name, the number) on my real Palm.
I just stumbled on a link to a piece of software for the palm that the user of a tablet mentioned in his blog. It looks like something that could be helpful for those who need a tool to help with syncing problems in the GVM. It's called Change Name.
Here is the link to it : http://www.mulliner.org/palm/changename.php
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2008-01-29
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
I have seen where at least one person had trouble with it.
Apparently this doesn't *quite* work right on the GVM. I did use this to find out my Hotsync User ID (not name, the number) on my real Palm.
Here is the page where the blogger published his success with it.
http://www.techdodo.com/?p=134
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2008-01-29
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I've tested it quite a bit. It mis-aligns the hotsync name when it writes it to the .gvm image file. I posted about this in another thread back then, and again today in reply to another poster. Oh, and I added a comment about that to the blog linked above. I'm not saying that ChangeName will destroy your GarnetVM, but it doesn't do the entirely Right Thing.
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Last edited by TA-t3; 2008-01-29 at 11:28. Reason: Added the blog-comment part
If the n810 replaces 90% of your laptop's functionality, then you don't need either of them. But this is not relevant to the topic of Palms.
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