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Originally Posted by brokenladder View Post
Well, no. You as an individual will be statistically better off with a system with less Baysesian regret (assuming simply that you are any random individual).

It is possible that there is some particular political faction that would be worse off with the particular distribution of utility stemming from Score Voting. But as there's yet no strong evidence of that, it is rational for all voters to prefer it (until such time as they can demonstrate substantive evidence that it might disadvantage them relative to where they are now).
You seem to be operating under the assumption that the voters using the election method are the ones instituting it; if not, the assumption of any random individual is wrong, which is my point.


There is not "something other than Bayesian regret". There are "potential things you did not factor into your Bayesian regret calculation". If voters want to prevent party proliferation, then their utility values for candidates of the major, say two, parties would go up, and they'd have a reason to dislike candidates from additional parties. That's already accounted for in the existing calculations.
Again, when I discard democratic ideals (for argument's sake), I've no reason to suppose the ones instituting the election method are either subject to it, or "benevolent gods".

That is a valid point, though I doubt there is any method so good at electing centrists that it leaves centrists better off than Score Voting. It would take a specialized series of Bayesian regret calculations. I'm not so interested in that, however, because I already acknowledge there will potentally be a few demographics (perhaps large corporate interests) which will prefer plurality to Score Voting. My major concern is that the vast majority of rational voters will be better off with Score Voting, and that the goal of a benevolent "god" would be to maximize the sum of social utility. (Not "proven", but pretty darned close.)
Why should I be benevolent? (Yes, I'm just playing devil's advocate, both idiomatically, and (inasmuch as the devil may be characterized as a malevolent god) literally.)

I want to maximize the utility of white male land owners.

/kidding
I'd rather maximize the utility of aero-engineering grad students.

I think we're pretty much in agreement on all salient points, at least in practice. Now I'm gonna have to get some local advocacy going; it's been too long since I diatribed someone on voting systems. (No, really, there are some people I know who enjoy political arguments, and are rather open-minded; while the inferiority of plurality is pretty much agreed, we haven't really discussed which methods are best. Asset voting will be a big hit for discussion, but I also hope to persuade them of range voting.)

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A suitable time has passed since the first council was elected. For those of you who felt the voting system was sub-optimal, a task has been allocated to define a better approach in the next four weeks.

Details here:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...338#post239338
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