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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by SD69
Hilldon is open, and Mer will provide an open image as well as one with value-added closed components. (http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint) Most of these are, I think, platform-dependent, so they would be replaced in a port anyhow.
There are many components that are open, but Maemo as an integral whole is not open and is not licensed (AFAIK). I would be happy if at least Hildon was open, but it is not (AFAIK). As to Mer, I am not familiar with the licensing status and would appreciate a clarification if there is one. Running it does not mean it is a legitimately licensed. Thanks.
The iPhone, or rather the iPod Touch, would actually be quite a logical target -- it's quite popular, has a Linux port underway, and is generally suited from processor and external perspectives, with a touchscreen and enough buttons to make a powerlaunch UI work out. The missing D-pad is the only real handicap.
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2009-01-09
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#63
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Originally Posted by Texrat
The general tone of troll threads tends to lead me to believe the worst.
GA, he did add the disclaimer "AFAIK". That indicates lack of malice.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
SD69 is no troll. He shouldn't be lumped in with the OP.
The general tone of troll threads tends to lead me to believe the worst.
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2009-01-09
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It would still be interesting to see someone thoroughly evaluating the 1) developer, 2) manufacturer, 3) media and 4) user/public mindshare and perception differences - and respective strategies - between Maemo and Android.
All the four elements above are important to successful platform-building.
I'm not expecting the existing Nokia hardware or the community around it to vanish in thin air, but for a (relatively) long-time pioneer Nokia/Maemo platform does *appear* to be losing ground/momentum/mindshare here and it would probably help everyone involved to understand why that is.
In 2009 there will be a major watershed between the current and the new "N900" hardware and if Nokia (and it does appear to be just Nokia behind the Maemo project at the moment) doesn't do absolutely everything to get heavily discounted or even free hardware in the hands of developers then I could easily foresee the Maemo platform and Nokia's tablets treading water in comparison to competive software and hardware platforms.
Torch the messenger if you will, but I'm really just trying to be helpful by raising these issues (or alternative unpopular opinions?).
All the four elements above are important to successful platform-building.
I'm not expecting the existing Nokia hardware or the community around it to vanish in thin air, but for a (relatively) long-time pioneer Nokia/Maemo platform does *appear* to be losing ground/momentum/mindshare here and it would probably help everyone involved to understand why that is.
In 2009 there will be a major watershed between the current and the new "N900" hardware and if Nokia (and it does appear to be just Nokia behind the Maemo project at the moment) doesn't do absolutely everything to get heavily discounted or even free hardware in the hands of developers then I could easily foresee the Maemo platform and Nokia's tablets treading water in comparison to competive software and hardware platforms.
Torch the messenger if you will, but I'm really just trying to be helpful by raising these issues (or alternative unpopular opinions?).
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
As the "Community Council chair" you'd do well to avoid shooting from the hip and instead concentrating on positive community-building. IMHO.
The general tone of troll threads tends to lead me to believe the worst.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by lcuk
While there are often specific niches within larger markets, devices providing similar functionality do compete on many levels; for 1) developer, 2) manufacturer, 3) media and 4) user/public mindshare and money/effort spending power.
From my personal perspective, the other devices do not compete. Each device has strengths and weaknesses.
The strengths and weaknesses analysis should go much deeper than simply looking at (potential) hardware capabilities.
(Although your concentration on unlocking the capabilities of N8x0 hardware are very much appreciated!)
As for maemo being licensed to other manufacturers, I have seen Mer running on x86 as well as the tablet itself.
The core improvements to the Fremantle OS are available and open and accessible for us to build a community distro with.
Who knows, maybe we should try to port it to the G1 or iphone
If Nokia's Maemo infrastructure can't keep up with Android then maybe efforts would be better/wiser spent on jumping on the Android train and using available resources on Maemo'izing and Hildonizing that for optimal experience on Nokia's hardware?
I'm not saying it should happen but just urging people to consider possible ways of achieving maximum momentum (and synergy; a dreaded term but..). And application availability. And long-term usefulness of EOL'd hardware...
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I didn't denigrate anyone. In fact, I ASKED for clarification of the licensing status of Mer.
I said AFAIK.It would behoove you to get your facts straight before making judgements about the platform.
Please don't denigrate the good people working on the Mer project by so lightly assuming that they don't comply with licensing terms.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by SD69
Pretty simple really:
I didn't denigrate anyone. In fact, I ASKED for clarification of the licensing status of Mer.
* Upstream is Ubuntu/ARM (so we inherit any licensing status from that)
* The components we use from Maemo are all open source/distributable and published as such.
* When we will publish images containing closed source components for HW support and other tablet value-added things, there are discussions to do this through maemo.org (see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community...e_distribution and attached mailing list discussion ) - until an agreement is in place we're not publishing images with the closed HW bits and just generally relying on having access to /mnt/initfs
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by Peet
Nokia has run a discount program for developers following the release of each previous major hardware revision, and there's been no indication that they won't be running a Developer Device Program again this time. Indeed, folks from Nokia have stated that they'd like to work with individual developers to try to get prototype devices in their hands well in advance of the commercial release of the next device. Since access to such prototype devices is usually reserved for corporate partners, it's not clear how, or even if, something can be arranged for individuals, but the fact that Nokia's even investigating the possibility speaks volumes.
...if Nokia (and it does appear to be just Nokia behind the Maemo project at the moment) doesn't do absolutely everything to get heavily discounted or even free hardware in the hands of developers...
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by yegaoo
The real reason behind threads like these is that so many people can't resist telling "the losers" that they've "seen the light" and are "moving on". Yada yada.
If anybody "switches" to an iPhone / iPod, it means you picked the wrong gadget the first time (and probably you will pick wrong again, cause if someone needs a music player, and a phone, why not buy a cheap MP3 player and a cheap cell?)
Anyway, same story over and over. It depends what you need what you should get.
Just move on, OP. No one will miss you, here.
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