Nokia's Messaging beta doesn't work at all, and the bundled messaging application starting crashing whenever I tried to open a message in my Inbox. Haven't bothered to try Google's stuff.

So far, Symbian seems more half-assed and half-working than even Maemo.

TBH I haven't used the built in messaging application on s60 since my 6682 about 4 years ago, I used the Gmail java app since I run all my emails through it. Here is a good installation guide
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu...pressMusic.php

The instructions for the beta messaging app are here.

http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view...60-5th-edition

it works pretty flawlessly for me, the SMS provisioning is a bit of a pain in the *** but apart from that one time setup I have had zero problems with this email application.

I am well versed in Symbian's weaknesses, but as far as using a mobile for business uses such as PIM and email I find it much better than my N810, modest crashed my desktop every 5 minutes and the PIM is not as advanced as Symbian. I am about 10%-15% faster on the hardware keyboard of the N810 for text entry but still very good with the on screen keyboard of the 5800 because of the N800.

Multimedia is pretty much a wash depending on if you use DRM or not, if you do then Playsforsure compatibility means that I can take my Rhapsody music on the go when I am offline something which I can't do with N810 and also Amazon Unbox works great. The N810 has a MUCH better screen and I prefer the speakers on it as well.

I have a feeling that when the N97 launches and the Ovi store with all of the apps from Amazon, Reuters, Facebook, Fandango etc S60 5th edition will probably be a lot more fun.
I still prefer the fact that my N810 is a computer and runs a desktop level OS and this is one of the reasons I can't wait for Maemo 5 and the RX-51 I might be able to retire the 5800 if VOIP is viable over 3G.

Yes, thanks, I can Google. Like I said, it just plain doesn't work.

Sorry about that when you say it doesn't work it left me confused to the fact that following those two exact guides made both programs work on my 5800 which I believe I have had for roughly the same time as you have. You are a savvy user, so I guess you have given up? I should have detected you weren't looking for assistance and not said anything Have a wonderful evening

I've banged my head against the wall for hours over every other thing about this damn phone and talking about it just puts me in a bad mood. Sorry.