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2009-06-21 , 09:05
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#61
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If this was the case, he could have just released the source and let someone else do it. And this was done twice with almost identical pattern. But I doubt it would do any good anymore, there aren't many apps written with it.
In all honesty, seeing as alterego has no plans on doing it, the ruby stuff could be uploaded to non-free. I'm no licensing expert but I believe ruby and its various bindings are (L)GPL and the hildon bindings were based of the GNOME ones IIRC, if I can recall the contents of his blog correctly, and they are LGPL. It's rather convoluted for something that should be in free however.
 
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@qgil, I know about the debmaster, but he really can't turn the binary packages into source.
No, but he's an expert in packaging. There are - AIUI - two issues, which can be tackled in order:
  1. Packaging a Ruby runtime environment into a suitable lightweight package for use in the autobuilder and on the tablets.
  2. Ensuring there are good quality Hildon bindings for making Ruby apps tier-1 on the tablet.

Jeremiah can definitely help with the first; and for the second, can the existing ones be packaged (i.e. since they're Ruby, there's no compiled component)?
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(i.e. since they're Ruby, there's no compiled component)?
No, the bindings themselves are shared libraries.
 

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No, the bindings themselves are shared libraries.
Oh well, point still stands - tackle the two things separately (they probably shouldn't be in a single package anyway).

It's just that the second point is much harder to address properly. non-free is perhaps better named non-free-or-licence-violating-author-disappeared.

ukki, you are aware you might have to take down your repo if - under the licence - someone asks you for the source?
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Originally Posted by qwerty12 View Post
In all honesty, seeing as alterego has no plans on doing it, the ruby stuff could be uploaded to non-free.
White it is technically the easiest way to solve the problem, I am afraid that the debmaster(s) will not like it at all.
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ukki, you are aware you might have to take down your repo if - under the licence - someone asks you for the source?
Not sure it's a violation if alterego has just added stuff without modifying anything it's based on. But let's drop the subject, it has gone nowhere in over two years and I can close my repository because I doubt many will miss RubyBox. I've already rewritten my Knots app with a different language so there's not much to lose there. I just hope nobody else comes up with an idea to develop with Ruby.
 

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#67
I think having Ruby is beneficial to the community, regardless of how many people are developing with it. Part of the "magic" of Maemo is all of the options. I, for one, know a few Ruby devs who would develop for the tablet if I asked. But, that's not the point. Having Ruby (along with everything else) is. Of course, if no one wants to maintain it... That's another story.

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No.

"Closing down the repos" is a bit negative way say what we want. We all want that packages are found from Extras.
You want that, but you also want developers to jump through many hoops to get packages accepted to Extras, and those two "wants" are conflicting.
 
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@qgil, I know about the debmaster, but he really can't turn the binary packages into source.
He can put time contacting nominal maintainers of packages that are needed by others. He can ask for missing sources etc. It's not only about the technical skills but also about the time and dedication, and perhaps also about the 'authority' (or community backing) his role has.
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You want that, but you also want developers to jump through many hoops to get packages accepted to Extras, and those two "wants" are conflicting.
The community Quality Assurance process is for those developers willing to offer software ready for end users in a wide sense. If this is not something that worries you, you can always put your packages in extras-devel. They will be better there than in an own repo disconnected from the extras libraries and looking like stable/final to end users.
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