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2009-10-27
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#61
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
I think this is one of the most important thinks for maemo to get a real hit and that it can be on strong counterpart to apples iPhone.
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2009-10-27
, 14:53
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@ Finland
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#62
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
Two more silly questions:
The bear brain says that I shall probably look at the Ovi store first, since there's a desktop link. Joe Public may not even find the maemo repository.
a) Why isn't extras exposed more ? Namely, is it more the fear of the lack of QA, or is supposed to favor apps (I suppose primarily because of commercial reasons) found in the Ovi store ?
b) Stemming from (a), who guarantees the QA of apps in Ovi ? We (now) have clear QA testing procedures and guidelines for Extras. Where is the Ovi counterpart of that, or, to put it another way, in what way is Ovi better than a publicly exposed Extras-devel ?
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2009-10-27
, 15:07
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#63
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Originally Posted by davidmaxwaterman
That was my feeling for the intent of the Ovi store as compared to Maemo Select and Extras, otherwise there is significant overlap between the services (especially Select) that would make you wonder what it was for.
Why do you think that is the intent of the Ovi Store? I just assumed it was set up to make it easier for customers to obtain content and so make the devices and services more attractive.
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2009-10-27
, 15:57
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@ East Gowanus
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#64
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I always thought that this could work simply with no real need to change much.
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Ovi Store - Commercial developers/companies looking to make money on maemo platform place their products here for sale. Nokia controls this ecosystem, charging what they consider a fair amount to run the service.
Maemo select - Nokia run site where they highlight the 'best of' commercial and community software. This is interesting as it is essentially a closed process AFAIK.
Maemo Extras - where community developers place their free OSS. These apps are accessed through community means and methods so if there is a place to innovate and add a donation framework this is where it gets done. Something like a donation popup when you run the software etc.
For people to want to see more commercial grade applications on maemo Nokia is going to have to develop a DRM restricted zone like OVi that they offer on S60 and s40 right now. This comes along with fees and all. The community needs to develop its own system that bypasses Nokia restrictions if they want a community run commercial ecosystem. As long as I am still able to DL and run great software like xournal etc in the manner that I can now I have no problem with this.
IMHO -
Ovi Store - Commercial developers/companies looking to make money on maemo platform place their products here for sale. Nokia controls this ecosystem, charging what they consider a fair amount to run the service.
Maemo select - Nokia run site where they highlight the 'best of' commercial and community software. This is interesting as it is essentially a closed process AFAIK.
Maemo Extras - where community developers place their free OSS. These apps are accessed through community means and methods so if there is a place to innovate and add a donation framework this is where it gets done. Something like a donation popup when you run the software etc.
For people to want to see more commercial grade applications on maemo Nokia is going to have to develop a DRM restricted zone like OVi that they offer on S60 and s40 right now. This comes along with fees and all. The community needs to develop its own system that bypasses Nokia restrictions if they want a community run commercial ecosystem. As long as I am still able to DL and run great software like xournal etc in the manner that I can now I have no problem with this.
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2009-10-27
, 16:43
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@ Oxford
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#65
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Originally Posted by mobiledivide
This is exactly what we should avoid - the perception that there's such a thing as 'commercial grade' and that community packaged free software is somehow of lesser quality. There is no 'commercial grade'; there is only free and non-free, with both categories containing good, mediocre and poor apps.
commercial grade applications
Though, of course, there's a QA process for the community ones, so there shouldn't be really poor apps in extras.
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2009-10-27
, 16:50
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#66
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Originally Posted by mobiledivide
That would work with me. If Nokia decide that Extras is good enough to be included in Ovi they can probably figure out how to populate Ovi with Extras stuff without moving the packages anywhere.
I always thought that this could work simply with no real need to change much.
IMHO -
Ovi Store - Commercial developers/companies looking to make money on maemo platform place their products here for sale. Nokia controls this ecosystem, charging what they consider a fair amount to run the service.
Maemo select - Nokia run site where they highlight the 'best of' commercial and community software. This is interesting as it is essentially a closed process AFAIK.
Maemo Extras - where community developers place their free OSS. These apps are accessed through community means and methods so if there is a place to innovate and add a donation framework this is where it gets done. Something like a donation popup when you run the software etc.
For people to want to see more commercial grade applications on maemo Nokia is going to have to develop a DRM restricted zone like OVi that they offer on S60 and s40 right now. This comes along with fees and all. The community needs to develop its own system that bypasses Nokia restrictions if they want a community run commercial ecosystem. As long as I am still able to DL and run great software like xournal etc in the manner that I can now I have no problem with this.
Plus, am I the only one who thinks €50 is not a big deal if one has commercial ambitions for their application? 72 downloads @ €1 and the investment would be covered (with Nokia's cut). If an app isn't going to break 72 purchases it might just not be worth making it commercial anyhow.
I've got asbestos boxers on, do your worst.
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2009-10-27
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@ Finland
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#67
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Originally Posted by ewan
I couldn't agree more, but sadly I can only put one small thank you under that post. I'm beginning to fear that the vast majority of users will simply not understand what Extras is and how it relates to Ovi, and if that is true, I sincerely fear the long-term future of Extras (as that is the Ovi strangles Extras scenario from my previous post).
This is exactly what we should avoid - the perception that there's such a thing as 'commercial grade' and that community packaged free software is somehow of lesser quality. There is no 'commercial grade'; there is only free and non-free, with both categories containing good, mediocre and poor apps.
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2009-10-27
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@ Finland
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#68
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Originally Posted by JosefA
Just a small correction, the math is wrong. If I understood the terms of the license correctly, if your product costs €1, Nokia's cut is 50%+. You're getting (near) 70% only in the best case scenario (fine print, eh ?).
72 downloads @ €1 and the investment would be covered (with Nokia's cut).
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2009-10-27
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#69
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Originally Posted by attila77
If that's all that's wrong with my post I must be on to something.
Just a small correction, the math is wrong. If I understood the terms of the license correctly, if your product costs €1, Nokia's cut is 50%+. You're getting (near) 70% only in the best case scenario (fine print, eh ?).
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2009-10-27
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#70
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Originally Posted by attila77
Just a small correction, the math is wrong. If I understood the terms of the license correctly, if your product costs €1, Nokia's cut is 50%+. You're getting (near) 70% only in the best case scenario (fine print, eh ?).
Not sure where you're getting these numbers from. From the fine print:
4.3. Nokia shall pay You seventy percent (70%) of the Net Revenue attributable to purchases of Your Content by end users.
and
4.3.1. For purchases made by credit card, “Net Revenue” shall mean the purchase price paid for Your Content by the end user, net of returns, refunds and bad debt, less all applicable taxes levied on sales, consumption, or based on revenue, regardless of what that tax is called.
4.3.2. For purchases made via operator billing, “Net Revenue” shall mean the purchase price actually received by Nokia for Your Content from the end user, net of returns, refunds and bad debt, less all applicable taxes levied on sales, consumption, or based on revenue, regardless of what that tax is called, and fixed aggregate billing charges.
sidenote:
4.4 [...] if the total amount payable to You is less than five hundred Euros (€ 500), Nokia shall have the right to withhold payment until the next regularly scheduled
quarterly payment date on which the amount payable to You equals or exceeds five hundred Euros (€ 500).
Last edited by code177; 2009-10-27 at 17:42. Reason: removes closed quote mark
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