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Originally Posted by silvermountain
Hehe.. I am sorry if I offended anybody 40ish... what I meant to say is people in emerging markets who are not exposed enough to technology still can use MMS as a much easier alternative to emails n attachments via their phones. Also not everybody fancy a smartphone, so a smartphone or mobile computer should be compatible with anything below its price range.
I also hear that 'people in their 40ish' don't drive cars - they ride dinosaurs like in the good ol' days.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Well me and my peeps at the home are going to use our N900's to keep up with our grandkids and tweet what area Diner's have the best "early bird" specials.
In fact, peter once wrote that quim (born 1970) would be "the upper boundary of the target group", while jussi (any of you guys kno his age?) would be the lower. he said he wouldn't consider me (42) "too old for the N900", but as I'm three years older than their "upper boundary", I'm not sure if he only wanted to be polite.
And don't forget about my >> Facebook << page.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Lucky me, being between you and the "upper boundary" ...
In fact, peter once wrote that quim (born 1970) would be "the upper boundary of the target group", while jussi (any of you guys kno his age?) would be the lower. he said he wouldn't consider me (42) "too old for the N900", but as I'm three years older than their "upper boundary", I'm not sure if he only wanted to be polite.
I guess 20 years from now we need 7" screen phones (or very good glasses) ...
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by skiving at work
Really. No alternative? Wow. I suppose IM, e-mail, Facebook, FTP is all completely useless. If the recipient has e-mail on their desktop, or internet on their phone, they can communicate with you (and many others) based on cheap, flat-free tariffs without being dependent on telco.
I use mms all the time even though I have email and pixelpipe configured on my handset.
There's absolutely no alternative for it yet imho:
Take nice snap and choose send
Select recipient, add a txt note and hit go
Recipient's handset immediately goes BUZZ BUZZ TWANG
Recipient admires your holiday snap on their handset!
I suggest looking it from the other point of view: MMS is an alternative for currently popular methods of communication such as IM, e-mail, and social networking platforms. While it is on its way out, its still used by a considerable amount of users, and there are specific situations where MMS may be desired over the other mentioned options.
Any argument trying to prove 'MMS is useless' or 'MMS is perfect' is food for a flamewar, and unnecessary.
Originally Posted by YoDude
How do you mean? When I bought my Nokia E71 and tossed in the SIM card it got its settings from the SIM card. There was a APN defined for MMS. In theory, I could remove and re-add this APN. Or add this APN elsewhere. But some providers only allow access to MMSC from internal network.
Because in most cases information for each service providers MMS server is programmed by the manufacturer in the code plug at a lower level.
If a SIM from a different service provider is put in the phone I used in the above example, MMS for the new provider will not work because the phone would be contacting the other service providers MMS server.
As I posted before, it always looked to me as another way carriers locked customers to their service or more correctly; it was just another stream that they managed in order to increase their average revenue per subscriber. This month free Nights and Week-ends, next month 10 extra MMS and call anyone in Oklahoma free, yadda, yadda, yadda.
In any event, I am hoping Nokia's efforts with Maemo is to produce a class of world phones that aren't network carrier dependent and do not chain their owners to the schemes cooked up by the cell phone service providers.
And BTW (not you gerbs), @ whoever said that the same people on this forum saying MMS doesn't matter were the ones shouting the loudest about the iPhone not having MMS back in the day.
MMS serves a purpose but if implementing it involves input from the service providers you can count me out.
In any case, this has all been discussed in the other MMS thread. Nothing new. Let us centralize the discussion. If you have valuable information concerning the implementation of MMS (from how it is set up on your telco) please use the other thread. We can evaluate the different technical problems, we can figure out some statistics about how many people are affected by which form of 'MMS implementation'.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
hehe... just ask peter personally next time he's around; i can tell from first hand experience: it sure is flattering when an attractive young guy like him tells you "It's not true at all that you're too old!"
Oh dear! I shall cancel my order at once, as I'm obviously far too old
in fact, it was this very flattery of his that made me change my mind. i decided right away then that i'd buy the N900 in spite of its shortcomings.
(i mean... peter's young, I'm sure his income depends on # of units sold, he probably has family, finnish winters are cold... i simply don't have the heart not to buy one and leave him freezing this winter.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by benny1967
I'd be afraid he'd look me in the eye and say "Yep, you certainly are too old!"
hehe... just ask peter personally next time he's around; i can tell from first hand experience: it sure is flattering when an attractive young guy like him tells you "It's not true at all that you're too old!"
in fact, it was this very flattery of his that made me change my mind. i decided right away then that i'd buy the N900 in spite of its shortcomings.
(i mean... peter's young, I'm sure his income depends on # of units sold, he probably has family, finnish winters are cold... i simply don't have the heart not to buy one and leave him freezing this winter.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Dude I don't know how to reply to your post when you slice up mine, refute it point by point, mix it in with others remarks, and then say this is not the thread to discuss it...
Really. No alternative? Wow. I suppose IM, e-mail, Facebook, FTP is all completely useless. If the recipient has e-mail on their desktop, or internet on their phone, they can communicate with you (and many others) based on cheap, flat-free tariffs without being dependent on telco.
I suggest looking it from the other point of view: MMS is an alternative for currently popular methods of communication such as IM, e-mail, and social networking platforms. While it is on its way out, its still used by a considerable amount of users, and there are specific situations where MMS may be desired over the other mentioned options.
Any argument trying to prove 'MMS is useless' or 'MMS is perfect' is food for a flamewar, and unnecessary.
How do you mean? When I bought my Nokia E71 and tossed in the SIM card it got its settings from the SIM card. There was a APN defined for MMS. In theory, I could remove and re-add this APN. Or add this APN elsewhere. But some providers only allow access to MMSC from internal network.
The MMSC may only be reachable from GPRS network. The URL you get by SMS is MIME encoded. This is decoded. Then a connection to the MMSC over APN is started and an embedded browser supporting WAP 2.1 or HTTP downloads the content. Then the content is embedded in the SMS application much like an e-mail attachment is shown.
Yes, ofcourse. It was from a time where Internet access on mobile phones was not widespread (common) or fast yet (UMTS speed).
It is for backwards compatibility. Telcos can much more difficult control e-mail which is also not tied to their network.
Don't get trolled. Lack of backwards compatibility is a valid concern.
If providers blacklist N900, listing it 'non-MMS capable' meaning they block MMS then there is nothing we can do, software-wise, to work around this. If it means they will convert the MMS to an e-mail that may actually be a Good Thing. If it means they will not allow you to send an MMS then that is a bummer for those who's like to.
In any case, this has all been discussed in the other MMS thread. Nothing new. Let us centralize the discussion. If you have valuable information concerning the implementation of MMS (from how it is set up on your telco) please use the other thread. We can evaluate the different technical problems, we can figure out some statistics about how many people are affected by which form of 'MMS implementation'.
This style of rebuttal is frustrating and not in what I thought the spirit of a forum is.
The screen shot I posted was from a manufacturers service software used to program its handsets specific to each carrier.
Some carriers do provide MMS configuration as a SIM app. Some don't. Some carriers with subsidized handsets don't allow manufacturers to enable this feature (change service information) by spec.
My point is that this technology in the North American markets is:
1. Long on tooth.
2. Used to control customers network usage patterns and its real cost to consumers is manipulated almost monthly in order to tweak the providors average revenue per subscriber.
My points relative to the N900 and this thread are simply. We can't have our cake and eat it too. The N900, imho, is a device manufactured and developed with the user in mind.
I'm not gonna cry if it doesn't have a feature that has traditionally been used (in North American markets at least) by service providers to increase their bottom line.
If the market is so huge in this community, someone could write the necessary program and set up their own sms gateway on the device itself I suppose...
>> http://www.ozekisms.com/
It would go over like a lead balloon because someone will still cry "but my provider gives me 100 free MMS a month. why can't I use them instead?"
...carry on
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Originally Posted by you
My remarks were directed at whoever believed that this forum was concerned with what features the iPhone did or didn't have back in the day. Don't get trolled. Lack of backwards compatibility is a valid concern.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by jandmdickerson
That does not make much sense (which is my polite way of saying that it is really stupid). Saying a phone requires a limitless data plan might make some sense. Of course, when EU limits international roaming data charge to 2 Euro per MB, it just shouts - this phone is not for people who leave their country every once in a while.
Welcome to the forums!
IMO the N900 guzzles the internet like a hummer guzzles gas! Not the phone you want if you are counting your kb's, the N900 is for all you can eat plans and locations where wide-ranging internet access is common and your friends have similar plans. Hence, this data guzzler is not for emerging markets and such.
Saying that this phone requires that people you want to contact must have such a plan, puts you in lala land territory. And not a good lala land at that.
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2009-11-14
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Originally Posted by Matan
Sorry "all you can eat plan" is my way of saying unlimited plan.
That does not make much sense (which is my polite way of saying that it is really stupid). Saying a phone requires a limitless data plan might make some sense. Of course, when EU limits international roaming data charge to 2 Euro per MB, it just shouts - this phone is not for people who leave their country every once in a while.
Saying that this phone requires that people you want to contact must have such a plan, puts you in lala land territory. And not a good lala land at that.
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Back on topic, someone sent me an MMS today. It doesn't happen often, but just occasionally. It's nice to receive them, even if I never send them. That's my main concern about not having this facility - having to tell everyone that my new fancy phone can't handle them.
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