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Originally Posted by code177
Car insurance is completely different. The general liability policies are cheaper because people and companies almost always have other insurance policies that cover the more common claims.
It's just that my car insurance is like $240 a month... any sum like this is prohibitively expensive for any normal developer to add to their monthly bills.
You know, auto liability insurance for when you crash into someone's house, or homeowner's insurance for when someone slips and falls on your icy sidewalk, that sort of thing.
This is why it's best to actually speak to people about theoretical problems rather than going off in a forum about it.
I don't like it much, but I can understand Nokia's lawyer's concerns. If you manage to slip some malware into the store, they don't want Nokia to be the ones on the hook for the damages when you don't carry liability insurance to make it right.
I think a coop would be a great idea. The vetting process might be annoying, though. You can't just let any geek off the street in, or you end up footing the bill for someone else's misdeeds. A referral system would be required, as would monthly or yearly dues, legal agreements, and god only knows what else.
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I have had symbian smartphones (and geos before symbian) from Nokia for about ten years, and the Ovi store has come only in the last few months, in response to Apple and Iphone.
Before it, software has always been sold for smartphones, either from the developer's site, or by online shops like Handango. Some applications were luckier then others. Furthermore, I can assure you that each and every non-free application has been cracked and distributed by a huge number of forums throughout the world, in every language you can imagine. No certificate, no capability, no drm, nothing has ever stopped cracking in the symbian world.
So, don't stick to Ovi store, all this money isn't going to be worth spending. If your app is good you can sell it from your (humble) site via paypal, and word-of-mouth will be enough to make it popular. Just be prepared to the fact that it will be pirated because human nature works this way.
Just my 2eurocents.
Before it, software has always been sold for smartphones, either from the developer's site, or by online shops like Handango. Some applications were luckier then others. Furthermore, I can assure you that each and every non-free application has been cracked and distributed by a huge number of forums throughout the world, in every language you can imagine. No certificate, no capability, no drm, nothing has ever stopped cracking in the symbian world.
So, don't stick to Ovi store, all this money isn't going to be worth spending. If your app is good you can sell it from your (humble) site via paypal, and word-of-mouth will be enough to make it popular. Just be prepared to the fact that it will be pirated because human nature works this way.
Just my 2eurocents.
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2009-11-20
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I can buy domain/and web-host and open up a store for the community if you guys help me out and willing to go forward with it.. 
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Originally Posted by code177
We have 5 million cover due to working on financial systems and other issues. Quotes from several companies for 1 million cover were all around the £150 a year and obviously tax deductable on the corporate side. This included employer liability insurance and £5K offsite equipment loss/damage cover.
Define 'Cheap' please
I'm not a software development company. I'm just one guy who wanted to get my app on the Ovi store in hopes that I could make some cash for my time. Incorporating a company was a leap of faith (and money). Being told AFTERWARDS that I now have to get a million dollars of insurance, and then i MIGHT be approved is just a kick in the face.
ALL N900 app submissions require Premium Accounts. You cannot submit an N900 app without a Premium account. Premium accounts are Media Geo accounts. Media Geo accounts require 1 Mil in liability insurance.
I'm sorry, but as much as I understand nokia's position, this is insane.
Hope that helps some but obviously US insurance requirements are likely to be different.
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Originally Posted by Fargus
Ok that is cheap.
We have 5 million cover due to working on financial systems and other issues. Quotes from several companies for 1 million cover were all around the £150 a year and obviously tax deductable on the corporate side. This included employer liability insurance and £5K offsite equipment loss/damage cover.
Hope that helps some but obviously US insurance requirements are likely to be different.
Once I have my business numbers, etc. I will get some quotes and we'll see what the next roadblock nokia throws at me is (wish that was a joke).
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The easiest and most obvious solution can be summarized in one word: Cydia.
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This thing is over. N900 does not have a chance, no apps , no growth, no customers. And that makes me sad. I was really hoping the N900 was going to be some thing special. Ovi is already a joke. Could they make it any harder?? All I have been hearing from the Maemo world is how Apple and the app store suck because of all the restrictions and approval requirements. Does Nokia not see what is going on in the world. They watched every mistake Apple made with the iPhone and the app store and learned absolutely nothing. They are repeating them X 2. Pitty.
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Originally Posted by geneven
In some countries there are certain rights that cannot be waived even if signed away for a start.
Sorry, I'm on vacation from this crummy site, but I have to return to ask a question about this.
Why is the liability insurance necessary? Why not ask the user to sign a liability WAIVER and if they won't sign the waiver, don't sell them the product?
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Originally Posted by f pickels
I have to disagree.
This thing is over. N900 does not have a chance, no apps , no growth, no customers. And that makes me sad. I was really hoping the N900 was going to be some thing special. Ovi is already a joke. Could they make it any harder?? All I have been hearing from the Maemo world is how Apple and the app store suck because of all the restrictions and approval requirements. Does Nokia not see what is going on in the world. They watched every mistake Apple made with the iPhone and the app store and learned absolutely nothing. They are repeating them X 2. Pitty.
They resolve this, or turn a portion of the repository into a paid app/paid distribution platform and they have their solution for corporations (Ovi) and opensource (Maemo repositories) and paid for apps outside of the aforementioned two.
There's a lot of reasons why this wasn't resolved yet (I don't know them, but extremely curious) but even I have hope it will be resolved soon.
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aka splitting the tap for archieving ovi store requirements. no need to create duplicate marketplaces etc, and still every developer would have affordable (the more members, the more affordable....) way getting their software to ovi store.
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