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2010-01-05 , 21:16
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#61
Coming from Android, I find maemo quite more interesting. Just needs more work and support to get even better. I got bored of Android quite fast.
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
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Also.. a lot of people are yelling at Nokia for lack of apps... Even google has a very minute set of core apps that are from "google".. Youtube, Browser, Market, Email, etc. All the other Apps are from third party developers - not Google.

You cannot compare third party apps between platforms... that is entirely dependent on the developers - not the parent company. Developers will go where there are users.. it's catch-22 world in that aspect. What you *can* compare is a stock OS', and if you want, apps released officially from the Parent.

I don't think the actual "stock" OS from what I've read is causing anybody any real problems.. most of people complaints are in the apps - Ovi Store, Map software, GPS, etc. Fremantle I think everyone is pretty happy with (unless I'm wrong?)

I don't see where it mentions whether 2.1 Android has flash built-into the browser.. does it? Does the Droid? Is it Flash 9.4 or higher?

The lack of an Ovi Store, bad map software, and bad GPS could be legitimate complaints - as these are shared from Android to Maemo. Market, Google Maps, and Navigation. However, Navigation just recently hit android.. before that the navigation software of the Android sucked too.
Hmmm...I think you're right, people aren't complaining about the "stock" OS, they're complaining about the apps officially release from the parent, and in some cases the hardware. And I'm sorry, but there isn't really much of a point in saying the Navigation on android used to suck, any more than there is a point to comparing Android 2 to Maemo 6. I'd go out on a limb and say that the quality of the "core" apps is a legitimate gripe, not a could be. Hardware differentiation in smartphone is pretty subtle nowadays and while it does make a difference, it's really boiling down to the user experience which is in large part dominated by the quality of the software.
 
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2010-01-05 , 21:17
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Originally Posted by RogerTHAcctant View Post
I understand you think the google nexus one is better than the N900 in some respects. Well lets be honest here, if you wanna call our all the things that the nexus one is better than the N900 your just picking specific things of the N900's weaknesses. All the things the the nexus one excels in is still exceeded by apple's iphone. It doesn't even have multi-touch, web browsing is slower, and because it doesn't have multi touch it's hard to type on without a physical keyboard.

as stated in a review here
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/18/g...ks-multitouch/

Now you tell me ONE respectable thing that the google one is better than the n900 AND iphone, besides tying you into all their own google proprietary software

look at this review from engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/nexus-one-review/

they basically say it's great, and best andriod yet in terms of software, but they would pick a droid over it.

at least the N900 can multi-task, and just that ONE feature alone, i could say i have something over andriod and iphone

Sure all phones look real good on video at prelaunch, and didn't the N900? But I don't think you should point out all the bad of the N900 before the nexus one had a chance to show it's flaws
Dont be so sheep. I dont believe the engadget browser test was honest. First of all, test was done on only one site and it may have been cached, dubious. Dont believe these bloggers as majority of them are biased quack journalists (engadgets reviews are so poor compared to e.g gsmarena etc).

In any case I dont believe HTC, Apple, google is any match for Nokia hardware or software wise. They only excel at HYPE marketing and branding. Nokia does real research and has the patents to prove it.
 
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2010-01-05 , 21:18
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Originally Posted by Enyibinakata View Post
Dont be so sheep. I dont believe the engadget browser test was honest. First of all, test was done on only one site and it may have been cached, dubious. Dont believe these bloggers as majority of them are biased quack journalists (engadgets reviews are so poor compared to e.g gsmarena etc).

In any case I dont believe HTC, Apple, google is any match for Nokia hardware or software wise. They only excel at HYPE marketing and branding. Nokia does real research and has the patents to prove it.
We'll ...or Apple will find out soon enough on the patent front.
 
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2010-01-05 , 21:20
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they is a funny snobbery on these boards against the iphone- its quite funny..

"In any case I dont believe HTC, Apple, google is any match for Nokia hardware or software wise. They only excel at HYPE marketing and branding. Nokia does real research and has the patents to prove it."

lol could you honestly honestly advise the masses to get any nokia over an iphone- seriously, what would average joe or even someone that wants alot out of there phone(mms/email/gps/games).

i love the nokia but lets get real here, the difference isnt marketing its function
 

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2010-01-05 , 21:22
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#66
comparing is good , lets just be fair , compare a 2010 phone with 2010 phone , Like "Nexus one with android 2.1" vs "N910 with memo 6" Ups... non of this has been released yet... :P

I do think nokia did a good R&D when mobile phones where boring and no one was bringing something interesting to the end user nokia get N95 (first all-inclusive 5MP, wifi, GPS, multi task, games just to name some).

I do think I expect from Nokia at least what they already do good before (MAPS, voice command for example) + the new advantage from maemo5.

I am so happy with my N900 , I`ll give it the time Nokia or The Maemo Comunity to get what ever app the can make , cause I`m sure neither will disappoint me.
 

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2010-01-05 , 21:25
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Originally Posted by mysticrokks View Post
they is a funny snobbery on these boards against the iphone- its quite funny..
Ah true. Still have you tried talking about N900 on iPhone boards

I think in most conversations the iPhone fans are more emotional ones and N900 fans try to reason. There are all kinds of people in both groups though.
 
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2010-01-05 , 21:26
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#68
i feel really wierd i love both . its obviously not normal is it.


and i really couldnt imagine ever going on an iphone board it sounds like carnage..
 
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Originally Posted by matristain View Post
comparing is good , lets just be fair , compare a 2010 phone with 2010 phone , Like "Nexus one with android 2.1" vs "N910 with memo 6" Ups... non of this has been released yet... :P
That's absurd. A perfectly fair comparison can, in fact, be drawn between two now-existing phones released within the span of two months.. "Nexus One with Android 2.1" (Jan 2010) vs "N900 with Maemo 5" (Nov? 2009). Yes, the Nexus is now available as of today and it is in the hands of people now.
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
Ok so just for the sake of arguing..
Now that's the spirit

What devices had 1.0??? I think the G1 had 1.1 and was upgraded to 1.5.
I'd say since the SDK was 1.0, the G1 that came out was initially 1.0, quickly moved to 1.1 - view possible proof here.

So, on actual devices we've had 1.1, 1.5, 1.6 and 2.0. (I don't think 2.1 is on an actual device you can buy yet?).
Not yet, but in less than a month... yes. You can have a 2.1 device.

Maemo has OS2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 (with Diablo), that all ran on non phones.
True, but opensource could have patched a phone easily into the OS... and did with Maemo 5.

Now, most people seem to think that OS2009/Fremantle 5/whatever entire UI is a *significant* improvement over 2008's UI. This is similar to the hype you're seeing for the Nexus 1's new UI for Android. Sure, it looks nice - they are doing something right, but why ignore what the N900 also did right on IT'S UI improvment??
I agree. It is a proper movement in the right direction. In fact, it's a much more consistent UI than OS 2008. Why do you think I still haunt this community - besides my N810? The UI has so much promise, I want it to win.

Also in so doing, Fremantle had to change a bunch of the insides of the OS to make it practically new - and is the only one of all the previous OS's to be on a device that can make real phone calls, not VOIP. Android, because of it's dalvik-centric design was able to run SOME previous apps.. but there was hella problems from 1.5 to 1.6 IIRC due to Android limitations hard coded into the OS.
Ah, see... Fremantle did change the whole insides. Something that neither Mobile OS X nor Android has had to do yet. But despite going to a new platform, they still had enough of the prior framework to really not call it "step zero", but it was pretty damn close from my understanding.

The phone came out in Oct? Nov? And people were crying they didn't have a new firmware by December? Seriously?
Yeah... I'm still waiting on new firmware since June. But I'm just as surprised too about the level of whinging about the new firmware. I've seen dates slip by almost a year before on some other things.

Also.. a lot of people are yelling at Nokia for lack of apps... Even google has a very minute set of core apps that are from "google".. Youtube, Browser, Market, Email, etc. All the other Apps are from third party developers - not Google.
But Google will pay/entice other companies to develop on their platform... as well as stay there too. Then when the users get higher, as it did... the updates are still coming. You know how frustrating it is to know that I'll never get another Fring (I've e-mailed and tweeted to them to change their mind) or Skype upgrade on my N810 knowing that it might happen again on the N900? It downright scares me that I'll be stranded on a platform that's heavily evangelized but easily left behind because of how Nokia picks up, restarts between OS restarts and this time, I actually know about Maemo 6 in advance... it's scary.

You cannot compare third party apps between platforms...
Damn. I just did... oops.

...that is entirely dependent on the developers - not the parent company. Developers will go where there are users.. it's catch-22 world in that aspect. What you *can* compare is a stock OS', and if you want, apps released officially from the Parent.
This, I agree with fully.

I don't see where it mentions whether 2.1 Android has flash built-into the browser.. does it? Does the Droid? Is it Flash 9.4 or higher?
Droid was found to be 9.4 with the 10.1 upgrade coming in Spring of 2010. That alone is forcing my hand to see who will be first - the N900 or Android.

The lack of an Ovi Store, bad map software, and bad GPS could be legitimate complaints - as these are shared from Android to Maemo. Market, Google Maps, and Navigation. However, Navigation just recently hit android.. before that the navigation software of the Android sucked too.
Despite those being legitimate complaints... you know damn well they'll be upgraded and improved soon enough. But it's fun playing devil's advocate sometimes
 

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