No argument.

day 10......you are still in diapers.....i had this phone since dec 5, when there was nothing on this forum, and you could not get feedback on shortcomings.........mass marketing hype by nokia is overselling this device....i wonder how return rate on N900 compares to other smartphones.......

I understand. But I stated that nobody else from Nokia has chimed in on that.

Quim checked into it, nobody else from Nokia has said anything since. Sorta a bad form to leave your front facing folks that we in this community trust out there without backing him up with a hardware person.

I'm not saying much more than that - don't take it otherwise. I'm appreciative he's stated something, would love to see the hardware guys confirm/deny something. There's a few people here that are allowed to continue to be disgruntled when all it will/should/could take would be one post addressing it.

Silence in this case is the wrong thing to do. It allows too many vectors for the vocally loud crowd to step in and whine, spam, complain, grievance ad nauseum... you get the idea.

And before the next person tries to slam me - you didn't, I'm preempting here - I'm not goading Nokia either. Would love to see an official, coherent statement about this from the people in the know. And yes... hardware/manufacturing problems are normally announced. Ask Toyota.

So yeah... it's time to use this community to not only gather grievances, brainstorms, suggestions, but communicate back with us too. Otherwise, my time in this community will be very short too; my curiosity in Maemo 6 absolutely limited to PR stuff because I'm seriously not liking this lack of communication nor the rampant (on either side) arguments going on.

Communicate or watch the fruits of their intentions wither on the vine.

Ok dude. Prove it to me. Seriously... the burden of real live proof with dates that precede this forum is on you.

If you can't produce, shut it. I have no time to address people that rant, rave and prove nothing. In fact, I have no time for any type of fanboyism on either side of the fence because that's based on opinion, not facts.

Prove it. Show where the USB issue was addressed outside of this forum and before the community started reporting on it. Leave out the discussions.nokia forums too. Show me, o' great one with Google.

I'll go ahead and answer it for you... it doesn't exist. Oh... and I don't own a ****ing N900 either. You didn't read what I wrote either.

In fact, I'm sick and damn tired of you sick ****ing ******s that sit there, attack anything and anybody that doesn't fall into lockstep with your goddamn agenda.

Seriously, some of you are bunch of puerile sick ****s that do nothing but detract from this community. Dumb ****, I was here before you, I'll probably be here after you. Why? Because I actually do more than attack people that say otherwise than my inner-fanboy would allow to believe.

Rant away, I don't care.

Prove it.

Dumb ****, I don't own one. Read what I wrote for once.

Not 100% true. You'll land on their website most of the time. You have to have more criteria than that. PR != all information.

Google "N900 provisioning" - you start and stop here.

Reviews by fanboys and naysayers don't educate. They're just blog versions of advertisements for the most part.

The rest of your rant, ignorable. ****ing fanboys have taken this community, turned it upside down.

To hell with it... that's where it's going.

Either brainstorm, document, send in your grievances, file a BBB complaint, or shut it.

You're tiresome too. Only diaper I see is the one you should be wearing for constantly crying about what's not there.

You're just as ****ing bad as the damn fanboys/apologists you declare that are all over this forum. You also are what's wrong with this damn community.

Take the above actions; or just shut it. You've run the whining for whining sake into the ground.

I won't comment on the "needs" of US consumers and so on since my location is pretty obvious.
Sorry for the wall of text:
Here's a true story of me purchasing any cell phone for the first time(~1998):
I walk into a store and ask what they have on offer and their tech specs. The seller is nice and starts talking about things and explaining various things and shows me four devices which I can play with as well. I said great. Lemme think about it.
I went to another store and again wanted to get what's on offer. And the seller brings up ONE phone. And I again start asking tech specs and other things. And the seller goes it looks pretty. I ask again and again the same response.

I walk out go to the first place and buy a Nokia 5110.

That phone lasted me for 6 years and I still have it around and it still has the original battery.

Then I decided it was time to upgrade. So I start first searching for some decent phone(I wanted something a bit more rugged). As I had quite a few tech reqs for my needs. I checked online read a lot of reviews but never went and tested it. I bought a Nokia 5140i and I must say I wasn't really disapointed. It worked for my needs and again still have it if I need it.

Then I think a year or two after that I spoted the N95 and I wanted it. Again did my research and as soon as I read that I could jailbreak it I went and bought it. With the firmware that was on it sucked, crappy etc... but I didn't go and whine about it. I found out quickly that there were firmware updates and what I needed to do etc... So I did and it wass less sucky. I lived with that phone 'till 2009-12-03 when I went and bought a N900. For the N900 I was following the formus here since august 2009 and read as much on it as I could. I did expect it will lack a LOT of features from S60 phones. But since a Nokia 5110 satisfies my phone and sms needs I knew that if the basic features would be there I'd be happy. Yes I'm calling Nokia 5110 basic. It did phone calls and upcase SMSes. That's all it did for the most part.

Everything besides that is a bonus feature. And the reason I got the N900 is that I can be always connected which I am. Am able to use email, NO NOT EXCHANGE, EXCHANGE IS NOT EMAIL, even though the email app is severely lacking even for the standard email protocols. It can do Jabber/XMPP which again is useful.

I also annoyed the guys at nokia.si with quite a few questions and harassing about when they'll get a demo device. Once they had it I went there(yes I do have a REAL job and they close at 1600) and played with the device for like 15 minutes or so. Testing various features and so on. I saw in those 15 minutes that it lacked a lot of "smartphone" features but I also saw that it was something completly different to any phone and that it would fulfill MY needs perfectly.

On the day I purchased the phone the seller also told me explicitly: it doesn't do MMS and doesn't have Localization. I appreciated that bit of info even though I already knew both pieces of information from reading here and a lot more.

If you can't be bothered to do research on devices(especially devices that are completly fresh to the market) then nobody can really help you.

So no I'm not saying it's perfect. Or that it has no flaws. EVERYTHING has flaws for someone.

As I'm getting seriously fed up with the constant ranting about returning etc... I'll say this to you:

You don't like it, RETURN IT, it doesn't do what you want it to do, RETURN IT, any doubts about buying, RETURN IT. BUT stop the whining because you are returning it. It helps NO ONE. And ANNOYS a lot of people that are trying to HELP the community.

i have just begun to point to nokia missteps....its killing their market presence in US

As to tips: universal chargers has, by necessity, replaceable tips. Or, they'd not be universal but specific. So there's a tip for SE, two for Nokias, etc. The charger I used for the N810, was a simple USB charger with a Nokia tip.

And my original N810 tip got bent as the wire fell behind the heater and got stuck. It's a thinner tip than most, so it bent more easily than a thicker tip might've. Not saying this as criticism, it just happened.

Speaking as a reviewer, there's not enough time usually given before a device is available for public consumption to create a body of knowledge that will sufficiently handle every user situation. Usually because PR is fun like that, but also because many of the review sites have SEO aims of trying to beat the Mossenbergs and Engadgets of the world.

Maybe if we adjust the research of our purchasing decisions to this reality, and then invite companies to do better in getting devices out there*, then maybe something could change and be more helped in that respect.

*Nokia giving the N900 to 300 blogging/non-techie folks to use/test before hand was a step in this direction. Maybe something like this needs to be more done - in line with the open source/open communications approach that Nokia seems to be taking with Maemo.

On the side of users, those that are and aren't happy - there is never enough research to make good decisions. And forums like this are usually filled with negative thrones of work before the positive stuff rises to the top and solutions actually are generated. Choose your approach carefully, but only one approach gets a solution faster.

I don't follow the logic here; maybe I missed something. What's wrong with not seeing much info, ordering a device, and if you don't like it, saying 'this sucks!' and returning it?

I don't do things that way, but I don't see anything wrong with it. This is one reason dealers let customers return things, to encourage them to try them out without being totally committed. how much money is being dropped? If someone is willing to pay a restocking fee, it's ok with me. You can't always tell from research what you like; that's why mail order brides aren't popular.;