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I know you would. But would you still if all the developers migrate?
This problem is not fixed by expelling all the noisy people. It's fixed by making simple filters that allows you to follow the subjects that you actually care about. I am a member of a community that is tens of thousand times bigger than this one, and I thrive there because I do not have to deal with more than the parts I choose to deal with.
I anticipate your myspace joke. But some people like it there too, I'm willing to wager.
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This problem is not fixed by expelling all the noisy people. It's fixed by making simple filters that allows you to follow the subjects that you actually care about. I am a member of a community that is tens of thousand times bigger than this one, and I thrive there because I do not have to deal with more than the parts I choose to deal with.
I anticipate your myspace joke. But some people like it there too, I'm willing to wager.
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Originally Posted by volt
There are not many developers left working on legacy OS. Most of those are not even active forum participants (they hang out in mailing lists, IRC channels, etc). The remaining few would probably have a thread here about their developments and get notified about posts to it and/or come and make updates to it.
I know you would. But would you still if all the developers migrate?
If you're developing FOR a legacy OS/device I think it's a safe assumption to make that you are so vested in it that that would not be too much of an effort.
Developers dedicated to MeeGo should be on the MeeGo forum and I don't see how that would be an issue for the users of the legacy OS(s).
To argue that a separation of the two forums (old and new) would cause a lowered development focus for the legacy OS would, I think, make most 770, N800 and N810 users smirk a bit these days as we are already the neglected ones. This way at least we might have a forum that is readable
Originally Posted by volt
I wouldn't necessarily argue with that point at all. But since it has proven impossible to get such a structure in place here at tmo I think I am naturally cautious when thinking it would work 'over there'.
This problem is not fixed by expelling all the noisy people. It's fixed by making simple filters that allows you to follow the subjects that you actually care about. I am a member of a community that is tens of thousand times bigger than this one, and I thrive there because I do not have to deal with more than the parts I choose to deal with.
Also, remember that with MeeGo it is no longer an OS dedicated to Nokia devices. There may well be 10's (more?) of devices running MeeGo in a couple of years. I wouldn't want to rely on 'tags' to search such a forum for, say, "N810 applications" and I don't think that it would make sense to have every device as a sub-forum under each category (app, etc). In the end I think the legacy devices on a MeeGo forum would be one category named "Legacy Maemo Devices such as 770, N800, N810, N900)".
Obviously this IS the internet and we all have our opinions. The above is just mine.
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by X-Fade
Just noticed that MeeGo.com does not really force everyone to use OpenID. It's an option. That means we need to link directly to the meego user database. What I can do however is provide a required field, during registration, that will ask for the user's corresponding username at MeeGo.com. Getting dirty already.
As long as open-id works, you can automatically create an account on the new site by using your old one. And have your data brought over at the same time. That is would seem the nicest way for me.
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by RenegadeFanboy
Yes, of course, would be appreciated for sure, I'm only against automatic accounts creation, nothing more than that.
However, opt-in migration should be offered. We are talking about 34000 people (not the forum) to possibly be migrated?
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by silvermountain
Well, I am an N810 user, and a N900 user*, and I for one read threads about legacy applets like Advanced Backlight because I want it on the N900, and other things from the N900 that I should have an interest in as an N810 owner. The thing is, while the versions are different, the eco systems are quite similar because some key persons on this site (i dunno, qwerty as an example?) will interact with both user groups at the same time and thus see a reason to have both user groups at interest.
To argue that a separation of the two forums (old and new) would cause a lowered development focus for the legacy OS would, I think, make most 770, N800 and N810 users smirk a bit these days as we are already the neglected ones. This way at least we might have a forum that is readable
Originally Posted by silvermountain
It's not impossible at all. This is all just PHP and databases. It's a question of resources. And all the resources will be put into the MeeGo forum, not the Maemo forum - because they're only ever put into either forums because they need to if they want to sell devices. There will be no selling Maemo devices, so no resources.
But since it has proven impossible to get such a structure in place here at tmo I think I am naturally cautious when thinking it would work 'over there'.
That said, you're probably right. They're probably only going to fix noise if they have to. But... :
Originally Posted by silvermountain
Also, remember that with MeeGo it is no longer an OS dedicated to Nokia devices. There may well be 10's (more?) of devices running MeeGo in a couple of years. I wouldn't want to rely on 'tags' to search such a forum for, say, "N810 applications" and I don't think that it would make sense to have every device as a sub-forum under each category (app, etc).
You may well be right. But consider this: if they want MeeGo to work at all, they HAVE to be good at handling users from many different devices on different versions of software. Or it will fail. So, the question is 15+ vs 10+ on one site and 5 on the other. They will put the resources into making it work for the 10+ new ones. If they don't manage, they won't have success in the future. If they do manage, I might as well be there instead on the smaller, quieter place.
So well, while I see your points and you may have it completely right, I expect them to try harder there.
* You know, it's an odd thing maybe, but with the recent announcements from Nokia, I feel more abandoned as an N900 owner than an N810 owner. The N810 is everything I hoped it would be, but the N900 feels like Nokia just disowned it.
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And either way, the sites doesn't really have to be a single GUI/activity list to manage to have single log on. I am also a member of a norwegian discussion forum that happens to have one site for discussions, one for price comparisons, one for cameras, one for hardware, one for cell phones... All with a single log on. More users/interests doesn't always mean too much noise.
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Originally Posted by volt
I can understand that. I really like my N810 and I also bought it when it was already a legacy device in terms of Nokia support of it so I knew exactly what I was getting.
* You know, it's an odd thing maybe, but with the recent announcements from Nokia, I feel more abandoned as an N900 owner than an N810 owner. The N810 is everything I hoped it would be, but the N900 feels like Nokia just disowned it.
Had I bought an N900 I might have felt as if Nokia had bailed on it a bit early but looking back at the software-support strategy Nokia have for their devices I think I would had known it was coming and been prepared for it.
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There are already single-sign-on problems at meego.com. Trying to edit the wiki after already signing up on meego.com leads to a bit of a rat's maze of "login" links and confirmation e-mails and "you cannot edit this page" errors...
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Originally Posted by qole
Had to highlight my difficulty, didn't you.
There are already single-sign-on problems at meego.com. Trying to edit the wiki after already signing up on meego.com leads to a bit of a rat's maze of "login" links and confirmation e-mails and "you cannot edit this page" errors...
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Should I ever be curious about MeeGo I'm sure I wouldn't mind the occasional effort the one-mouse-click it would take to get there. But to not have all the MeeGo noise on talk.maemo.org.....priceless
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