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Originally Posted by wmarone
Agreed, but in the same thread he also said this regarding Ovi apps.
In terms of "closed-source" components, he is referring -exclusively- to bits for hardware compatibility, specifically the dubiously-closed BME (the specs for the chip it controls are easily available) and the SGX drivers for graphics.
Originally Posted by harrihakulinen
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It is not completely clear, what is the best way to integrate these kind of 3rd party closed applications. MeeGo project itself is supposed to work only on open source, and we are trying to emphasize that at least now.
Community can of course decide that it make's sense to offer a way or another to integrate these, or to provide nice and smart application installer also for closed apps or something.
However, I expect that all of the companies behind of the mentioned closed sw applications are also interested to help in the integration process ..
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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=20
From this it looks like a decision on these 3rd party services is still pending. This is enough to get people excited/depressed about the possibility of 3rd party apps in future Meego releases for N900.
And as per Quim, the right place to ask the question is this thread
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2010-05-25
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Originally Posted by mrojas
Funny, everyone complains constantly about Ovi Maps that I thought no one used it. But then you're doing the equivalent of installing a Cyanogen ROM on a phone with SenseUI or the Google Apps. Installing the ROM doesn't -have- to deprive you of Google Market or Google Earth, but Google isn't going to help you preserve your access to those (or let you distribute them.)
So, what would be the point of upgrading the N900 to MeeGo if it is going to do less of what the current Fremantle is doing? You upgrade to MeeGo, and no more (for example) Ovi Maps is not a good experience.
And what is Fremantle going to do in the future? Will more services come to it? Will current services be improved? Will Flash 10.1 come to it?
It is not about upgrading for the sake of upgrading. It is about what features are going to be available for the owners of the devices; and how they are going to get them. Through MeeGo?
Through Fremantle?
The services are provided by the hardware vendor, and you'll have to talk to them. Personally, this is why I dislike services tied to the hardware vendor, they don't want you to change and will leverage what they can to keep you.
Originally Posted by scifi.guy
Nokia may opt to do so, yes, or they may toss an RPM into the non-free repo with their software. Nokia has to determine what they'll do, which exists outside MeeGo.
From this it looks like a decision on these 3rd party services is still pending. This is enough to get people excited/depressed about the possibility of 3rd party apps in future Meego releases for N900.
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2010-05-25
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Originally Posted by scifi.guy
Now that it is interesting. Because if there is no going to be Nokia services, then people that want those features will need an alternative.
Agreed, but in the same thread he also said this regarding Ovi apps.
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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=20
From this it looks like a decision on these 3rd party services is still pending. This is enough to get people excited/depressed about the possibility of 3rd party apps in future Meego releases for N900.
And as per Quim, the right place to ask the question is this thread
We should not look at MeeGo as a goal in itself, its ultimate function is to enable the user to do things. And in that sense, it has to, at the very least, do what Fremantle is already doing. And then build upon it.
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2010-05-25
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Originally Posted by mrojas
You are confusing Linux distribution named MeeGo, with Nokia project with working name Harmattan, which is an OS built on top of MeeGo, adding Nokia specific services.
We should not look at MeeGo as a goal in itself, its ultimate function is to enable the user to do things. And in that sense, it has to, at the very least, do what Fremantle is already doing. And then build upon it.
MeeGo is a goal in itself.
It's a joint project of Linux Foundation and hardware vendors to create a common platform which vendors can use as a basis for their devices OS.
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Originally Posted by mrojas
Of course, if Nokia is smart they will provide a means for all Nokia hardware owners to get access to their services. Time will tell if they have the smarts to do so.
Because if there is no going to be Nokia services, then people that want those features will need an alternative.
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2010-05-25
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Originally Posted by smoku
What I meant is, we should not look at MeeGo on the N900 "just because". If you want to lock down the semantics, what we should aim to is Harmattan (or equivalent) on the N900, with all the features and services that are expected from a modern platform. A vanilla MeeGo on the N900 is not going to cut it.
You are confusing Linux distribution named MeeGo, with Nokia project with working name Harmattan, which is an OS built on top of MeeGo, adding Nokia specific services.
MeeGo is a goal in itself.
It's a joint project of Linux Foundation and hardware vendors to create a common platform which vendors can use as a basis for their devices OS.
Edit: And just to make clear that the signs point to that direction. What I worry about is polish, polish, polish. Bullet-proof usability.
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Originally Posted by wmarone
May be now is a good time to add this question to wiki. That will stop people (like me
Nokia may opt to do so, yes, or they may toss an RPM into the non-free repo with their software. Nokia has to determine what they'll do, which exists outside MeeGo.
) spamming this thread.Will Nokia release Ovi Maps, Mail for Exchange, Nokia Messaging (etc) to community supported Meego for N900?
http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect
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2010-05-25
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meego is a base distro just like android
harmattan is like sense or motoblur or whatever,really a little more than that since it will still have some maemo OS roots, but you get the idea.
i think the hope by nokia is that meego spreads across various manfacturers kinda like android and they can be the best value-add on top of that with free nav and services
harmattan is like sense or motoblur or whatever,really a little more than that since it will still have some maemo OS roots, but you get the idea.
i think the hope by nokia is that meego spreads across various manfacturers kinda like android and they can be the best value-add on top of that with free nav and services
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Yes please, let's try to clarify this situation updating that useful wiki page.
Originally Posted by scifi.guy
There will not be an official MeeGo-Harmattan release for the N900, but there is a possibility that the Nokia official UX and apps for MeeGo-Harmattan are made available to N900 users through a community effort discussed in (this thread). At this point nobody knows what and will not work. Technical discussion, R&D experimentation and official MeeGo-Harmattan releases need to come first in order to tell.
May be now is a good time to add this question to wiki. That will stop people (like me
Will Nokia release Ovi Maps, Mail for Exchange, Nokia Messaging (etc) to community supported Meego for N900?
http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect
And what is Fremantle going to do in the future? Will more services come to it? Will current services be improved? Will Flash 10.1 come to it?
It is not about upgrading for the sake of upgrading. It is about what features are going to be available for the owners of the devices; and how they are going to get them. Through MeeGo? Through Fremantle? There are some things that we already know won't come in Fremantle (i.e. portrait mode). People don't know what is coming in PR 1.3, PR 1.4, etc. And they don't know that MeeGo will support (UI, browser and media player is not going to cut it).
More concrete information is needed. That is my point.
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