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2010-09-22
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#62
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Originally Posted by slender
How about this.
My head hurts when I try to understand your point. Sorry
Go install the latest build of MeeGo, then call me from that device.
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by Loggy1948
I have an n900. I am not happy with it - basically the user experience sucks. I got it because it is a real computer under the hood but whoever designed the interface should take a look at how Apple do it - one phone, one system that people can use. Nokia seem to have 100 phones all doing something similar but not the same. It is chaos and messy and a complete waste of my time.
The N900 is unreadable white on black rather than black on white, has awful addressbook navigation, horrible skins, confusing multiplicity of web source (nokia forums, ovi, maemo etc etc) etc etc. Apps should be just that not a lazy way of not completing the job properly.
I am used to installing different OSs on computers and one of the saving graces of the N900 is to be able to ssh into my servers. But that's about all. See http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/fo...643#post777643
Before I bin it and go for an Android native system, is there any alternative where the unit still works as a phone, 3G, wifi, bluetooth, camera, music etc plus the missing things like mms? Is there any one of these systems that is near to this target? I e xpect it will blow and guarantee with Voda but otherwise it will blow my fuse.
Trouble is I was particularly stupid and got two n900s. But for some reason, even though she hankers after an iPhone, my better half is not as pissed off as I am....
Maybe Nokia should stick to hardware and make the software properly open source.
N900 is a brilliant device and the iPhone is very different. Noone misses MMS in this day and age. And I like the variety of web sources and judging from the variety of apps and tweaks available there are alot of people finding it very usable and easy to understand
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Hrm.. I do see your point but I guess I just fail to determine whether something is a computer or not (or a full OS or not) based on what third party vendors decide to support it with.
Ah, but I'm talking about the N900 only. I know that Moblin... I mean MeeGo for Intel supports a broad range of devices. I don't think that Maemo, I mean MeeGo for handsets does. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct it.
What I mean by this is, Android is only as supported on the hardware that vendors have decided to port it to.. same for MeeGo Handsets. Intel and Nokia have ported MeeGo to theirs.. now we're waiting for other vendor support.
But until those weekly builds are fully making and receiving phone calls, your N900 will be rendered into a UI/UX showcase that looks cool but cannot do much more than show it's a proof of concept for a soon to be release OS.
People complain about it all the time but I actually get surprised sometimes. I've never in my life really used skype. I signed up for an account once in the military to talk to the family but used it maybe one time. Never used it again. Got my N900 and resurrected my old account just for the purpose of being logged in. (seriously, I don't/didn't even have any contacts on it.)
Couple days ago I was doing business with someone on the phone at work and they conferenced to a three-way but whatever phone they were using (its either an android or an iphone) messed up somewhere. We could both hear the conferencer really well but couldn't hear each other hardly at all. We hang up cause the other guy wanted to do it and he found me on Skype (apparently thats what he uses..), called me on Skype, and then conferenced in the other guy. Worked flawlessly.. I was thoroughly impressed by my phone and at the same time surprised as hell that someone just thought using skype would be normal to try and call me with .. how many phones actually support that?
Anyway, with all of that said - PR1.2 has issues like any phone has issues, and MeeGo is to be the upgrade when it's ready. No one's saying it's ready right now. But you said no upgrade path and that's what I was pointing out.
But this community insists on calling it a computer when... I fear that it is not. It's computer-like, but not a full-blown computer. I mean, I remember when my father used to call my HP 48GX a "computer" and I kept correcting him with saying "No. It's a calculator" and he'd go "What's the difference?" - big difference to me.
Based on the responses in this forum, I'm seriously doubting that folks are using the N900 as a phone at all for the most part.
STSKeeps has stated that they've worked that out somewhat, so I'm hopeful there.
But it is installable... that's a key difference.
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Just because I'm a smart-*** type I'd do this too. But, let's just both agree I have the technical know how to reproduce what Stskeep has done (using this as a guideline) and loaded MeeGo on my phone and added the telephony pieces afterwards and called you.
Go install the latest build of MeeGo, then call me from that device.
That fulfills the only argument you presented here... after all - you didn't say it had to be easy
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
That happens... and it's stable. I'll kindly shut the heck up.
Just because I'm a smart-*** type I'd do this too. But, let's just both agree I have the technical know how to reproduce what Stskeep has done (using this as a guideline) and loaded MeeGo on my phone and added the telephony pieces afterwards and called you.
That fulfills the only argument you presented here... after all - you didn't say it had to be easy
See. It's that easy
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Which part? That it needs to be easy and stable? Or are you just saying that if I can even make a phone call and have it stable you'll be satisfied?
That happens... and it's stable. I'll kindly shut the heck up.
See. It's that easy
I may not call you.. though I supposed I don't see why not if you send me you're number.. but.. perhaps sometimes this week I'll give it a shot and call my wife as a test and talk to her for several minutes or so and see how it works. I don't know if Stskeeps has ever said exactly how good it works or not.. but the wiki does say "working call audio (incoming/outgoing)".
I will say though.. you didn't mention anything about stable either.. you just said MAKE the phone call
. But, I am curious how well the ofono stack works so far.. but the easiest is probably just asking Stskeeps what the status is.
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2010-09-22
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No need to put yourself out that far. I just would love an upgrade that includes the phone stack that would be an improvement of the one that's already in place - or at least be of the same quality.
That's my biggest wish.
That's my biggest wish.
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by slender
Debian is the best, just dual boot, and see for yourself!
I have ended up using pclos. Maybe when it explodes i try something else but i just love speed. Arch linux is probably too demanding for me.
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2010-09-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Well of course.. this is all of our wish.. and this is of course where MeeGo hopes to be. It just isnt there yet. But the phone stack is working.. understand by clarifying in this one that you want it equivalent or better than the one we already have.. that changes the dynamic dramatically and I wouldn't even pretend I think MeeGo's phone implementation is on par with Maemo's. Maemo's isn't actually bad at all.. the problem is in multitask management and the fact we can overburden the device to the point the call never comes through. Some, like me, don't necessarily see that as a bad thing as it offers us the control.
No need to put yourself out that far. I just would love an upgrade that includes the phone stack that would be an improvement of the one that's already in place - or at least be of the same quality.
That's my biggest wish.
(not to say I don't think it couldn't be optimized a bit more..)
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