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2011-06-21 , 17:36
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Woot. I cant wait for the n950. I was getting worried the n900 would be my last Nokia phone.. but i guess now =)
 
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2011-06-21 , 17:39
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Wait.

I have this awesome idea for a NFC app -- how do I use a n950 to develop that if it has no NFC capabilities... ?
You can simulate it with some sort of sticker. It was done at the MeeGo SF conf with a C7. Don't ask me how it works
 

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2011-06-21 , 17:39
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Originally Posted by Darkshine View Post
They would lose more money and time refining the hardware or in warranty repairs. They said 'no warranty' for a reason - probably the same reason they replaced it with a unibody device where nothing can be replaced (so not much can go wrong).

It's a sensible idea considering a qwerty keyboard doesn't sell a device (see sales of Android devices, as an example). It's just a disappointing one, considering I don't think I can bear using an eyes-free input device for my main phone.
Not my image of how a phone manufacturer should operate, I would hope they would be confident in producing excellent hardware with a qwerty keyboard -- after all, they made the N900 and have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes to make the perfect device many of this forum have been desperate for..

They are very close with the n950, except the specs are not he same as the n9 and it loses some awesome features in the n900.

I think we are from different schools of thought, no biggies - if your point were to stand though, .. sell it without warranty (if legal)
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2011-06-21 , 17:40
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Originally Posted by Verythrax View Post
You can simulate it with some sort of sticker. It was done at the MeeGo SF conf with a C7. Don't ask me how it works
Great, if anyone knows a little more about this please post a link (i will do some research and do the same)
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2011-06-21 , 17:44
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Great, if anyone knows a little more about this please post a link (i will do some research and do the same)
Search for the video coverage of Engadget on the MeeGo SF conference hall. They visit the stand and the guy does the full demonstration.

NFC have some kind of one-sized mode of some sort, so some functionalities (if not all) works with an non-NFC-enabled hardware. Even the Google Wallet thing, that is NFC based, is supposed to work without it.
 
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2011-06-21 , 17:52
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Originally Posted by ccarter View Post
Wait.

I have this awesome idea for a NFC app -- how do I use a n950 to develop that if it has no NFC capabilities... ?
This is why I get the feeling the N950 is just being given out to clear stock of a device they canned.
 
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2011-06-21 , 18:00
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Originally Posted by Verythrax View Post
You can simulate it with some sort of sticker. It was done at the MeeGo SF conf with a C7. Don't ask me how it works
The Nokia C7 does have NFC (albeit incomplete from a software point of view).

Originally Posted by Verythrax View Post
NFC have some kind of one-sized mode of some sort, so some functionalities (if not all) works with an non-NFC-enabled hardware. Even the Google Wallet thing, that is NFC based, is supposed to work without it.
Sorry again, but if a handset doesn't have NFC capabilities, it just doesn't. It can't be emulated unless you add additional hardware to it (a simple sticker wouldn't cut it).

By the way, NFC does have different modes of operation. A handset that supports NFC can act as a reader/writer, communicate in a peer2peer fashion with another NFC enabled device, or act as a card (card emulation mode). In all threee cases, the handset must have NFC hardware. You just can't emulate that without the needed hardware.
 

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2011-06-21 , 18:04
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Originally Posted by ccarter View Post
Not my image of how a phone manufacturer should operate, I would hope they would be confident in producing excellent hardware with a qwerty keyboard -- after all, they made the N900 and have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes to make the perfect device many of this forum have been desperate for..

They are very close with the n950, except the specs are not he same as the n9 and it loses some awesome features in the n900.

I think we are from different schools of thought, no biggies - if your point were to stand though, .. sell it without warranty (if legal)
It's easy - QWERTY keyboards add bulk and complexity, and people don't buy them anyway (in appreciable amounts). Out of those that do, a large minority would buy the same phone without a keyboard if they weren't given a choice (check out the droid forums for many examples)

A general N950 release would cannibalise sales of the N9, increase warranty repairs & returns, reduce the scale of production for each device and not sell very well. That's not counting the extra R&D costs, marketing, etc.

It's a shame, but it just doesn't make sense.
 
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2011-06-21 , 18:18
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They are making HW KB phones smaller by the year so I seriously doubt that's the case. Simple Nokia wanna run the candybar store. Cause trust me my HTC G2 is a pretty slim HW KB phone my man. Bottom line is this as long as business users are around (me being one of them) than I'll need a full HW KB. I can see me now editing a doc on the go full touch screen. Oh the errors I just might make
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2011-06-21 , 18:19
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Other manufactures do it anyway, marketing it as business devices. Well, didn't Nokia themselves release the E7? Something isn't right in the reasoning here.
 
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