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2011-06-22 , 20:25
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Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness View Post
closed source doesn't mean there is no API to interact with these things...
well, of course, there is an API. No one is saying there isn't.
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All platforms have APIs to interact with things, should we call iOS, WP etc "open" because of that too?
Naw. But API's that are tied to a heavily in need of update(s) and/or fixes means what exactly though.

That's a problem to me. It's not the API. It's not the access. It's the lack of updates and/or fixes (WONTFIX) that is a problem to me to what I'll be writing to.

I have no control over that in any other API for the most part; but they actually get updates. The promises that once the shininess wears off on Harmattan that the API's I'd use will continue to get updates is probably closer to zero than others are willing to admit.
 

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Apple has shown you can make a killing with 15 to 20 percent of a given market. I'll bet most populations have that many geeks these days.
Apple succeeds with 15-20% of the cellphone market because they control 100% of the content and app market for that 15-20%. It's hard for a geek phone to compete because geeks don't accept that control over their phones.
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
Apple succeeds with 15-20% of the cellphone market because they control 100% of the content and app market for that 15-20%. It's hard for a geek phone to compete because geeks don't accept that control over their phones.
I don't believe that degree of control is necessary at all-- because I'm talking about different demographics. Apple gets the 15-20-% of people willing to surrender control; a competitor could easily grab the 15-20% unwilling to do so. And let Microsoft/Android have the rest.

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I don't believe that degree of control is necessary at all-- because I'm talking about different demographics. Apple gets the 15-20-% of people willing to surrender control; a competitor could easily grab the 15-20% unwilling to do so. And let Microsoft/Android have the rest.

Solved.
What I was getting at is that Apple succeeds (financially) because they make a lot of additional money on the additional content and apps that they control. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
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What I was getting at is that Apple succeeds (financially) because they make a lot of additional money on the additional content and apps that they control. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
Thanks for the clarification, but I still believe my theory stands. All it comes down to is a solution highly targeting a demographic and delighting the heck out of them. The Apple fans want one experience, and open source fans want another. There are areas of overlap but concentrating on the differences is that makes a solution compelling. The money follows.
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Thanks for the clarification, but I still believe my theory stands. All it comes down to is a solution highly targeting a demographic and delighting the heck out of them. The Apple fans want one experience, and open source fans want another. There are areas of overlap but concentrating on the differences is that makes a solution compelling. The money follows.
Yes, and one thing the Geek market has that could be attractive is that we care a lot more about our smartphones than does the general population. That's probably a mixed blessing for manufacturers, because of all the pissing and moaning we do, but we're probably willing to pay more and upgrade more frequently than the average user (especially if we had a software platform that kept improving, instead of being reset to square 1 periodically) and we tend to be willing to buy unlocked phones, which could be attractive to manufacturers.

Maybe Nokia and Openmoko had the wrong idea when they released Geek versions of products which they hoped to eventually turn into mass-market consumer products. Perhaps it would be better to have a Geek line that you never pretend is step N-1 of N, with version N being an iPhone competitor. Nokia needs an iPhone competitor, but they clearly plan to make other sorts of phones too.
 

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I don't think anyone has a problem with Nokia trying to design an iPhone killer, i am just annoyed they are forgetting about us
 
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n9 needs to be success sow e see more meego products and a real n900 succesors
 
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It's not just about targeting us 'geeks'.

In the n900 case, it's about limiting the audience to those geeks who are willing to spend a LOT of time tinkering their phones; because without tweaking, the n900 is severely limited in its capabilities and completeness.

Fortunately in this case, I believe you CAN have your cake and eat it too.
Make a full featured 'people friendly' phone with sane presets, a lively 'ecosystem' AND still leave the phone open and FOSS friendly.

So I still don't understand.... why don't they do that?
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