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freemangordon	2013-07-19 , 16:10
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Originally Posted by shmerl

freemangordon: Qt 5 + Wayland vs Qt 4.8 + X11? I personally think it's great they went with Wayland. Sitting on X11 is getting annoying already, and if they can squeeze EGL drivers for Wayland from their SoC manufacturer - it's a really great achievement. I really hope they aren't going to use Wayland based on libhybris with bionic drivers in their own handset.

See, it is not what me or you prefer personally. I'd like to have Jolla phone with HWKBD, resistive screen, FMTX and hildon-desktop, but this is as relevant as your personal preference. Esp if they are supposed to fight for their place under the Sun. Why do you think the average Joe gives a **** if it is Wayland or X11 and Qt 4.8 ,Qt 5, GTK, OWL or MFC on top of WinAPI? Their target are not the tech savvy guys, but the rest. Having that in mind that move makes absolutely no sense for me. They'll be too late when (and if) they release a device, the same way N9 was too late. And that will happen for similar reasons - we have something ready and instead of trying to make it finished and polished product, we scrap half of it and replace it with something yet to see the daylight. Do you think the majority of Android users have any clue what bionic or dalvik or Surface Flinger is? I doubt.

From technical POV your "preference" might make sense, but IIUC they're not doing some kind of "art for the arts sake", but trying to sell products. That won't sell good if look crappy, no mather the genius that is hidden behind.

And what irritates me a bit is that the "code everywhere" story repeats over and over again. They released SDK, lots of people ported their applications, now what? This is disgusting, sorry.

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mikecomputing	2013-07-19 , 16:21
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Originally Posted by freemangordon

Oh, I am not complaining. I am talking about the behavior here - one has something that is working fine (or almost), but he throws it through the window because of some blurry reasoning. Instead of polishing what he already has. The point is - IMO it is wrong to make such a major change when you are on a hurry to release a device, as it will delay that release. No matter how good you are.

The reference to GTK and .deb was in that regard - Nokia did the same when all of us were expecting the step 5/5. And we all know what the result was/is.

Polishing X11 is like polishing a broken car from 1990...

Now go out get the facts instead of crying.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...ituation&num=1

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mikecomputing	2013-07-19 , 16:24
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Originally Posted by shmerl

freemangordon: Qt 5 + Wayland vs Qt 4.8 + X11? I personally think it's great they went with Wayland. Sitting on X11 is getting annoying already, and if they can squeeze EGL drivers for Wayland from their SoC manufacturer - it's a really great achievement. I really hope they aren't going to use Wayland based on libhybris with bionic drivers in their own handset.

I don't blame them if they do. There is VERY FEW SoC who has core Linux drivers

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freemangordon	2013-07-19 , 16:24
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Crying? WTF? I can cry for something I care much for, which is not the case with Jolla. Just sharing some thoughts, but well, ok, I'll stop that.

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marbleuser	2013-07-19 , 16:33
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

Polishing X11 is like polishing a broken car from 1990...

Now go out get the facts instead of crying.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...ituation&num=1

ok, so youre saying you don't want any maemo/meego apps ported to jolla?

do you need an explanation as to why youre saying that?

two letters:PY

who's going to go and learn c++ just to port their unit converter to jolla?

THP is porting gpodder to c++ jolla, but he actually works for them now AFAIK.

still you'll have lots of ANDROID apps to choose from. not all of them will work though. it just a dalvik compatibility layer and not the real thing. if that's all you want (which is exactly what youre saying), then buy a SAMSUNG.

thedead1440	2013-07-19 , 16:36
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Originally Posted by marbleuser

two letters:PY

who's going to go and learn c++ just to port their unit converter to jolla?

THP is porting gpodder to c++ jolla, but he actually works for them now AFAIK.

Just FYI, thp is doing something called PyOtherSide for Qt5: http://thpmaemo.blogspot.co.at/2013/...n-on-qt-5.html

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	Morpog	2013-07-19 , 16:42
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and thp is a Jolla employe since a few days/weeks

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	Dave999	2013-07-19 , 16:44
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Originally Posted by Morpog

and thp is a Jolla employe since a few days/weeks

Great to hear, I think he can turn this sinking boat around and get some stuff done!

Plus he seems like a very nice guy without even know him

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shmerl	2013-07-19 , 16:50
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Jolla are doing a good job being Wayland adopters, while others dragging their feet behind. Wayland is stable for a while already. Time to use it. Even Intel planned to use Wayland in Meego a whole while ago. So there is no sudden "change of plans". It's BAU.

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mikecomputing	2013-07-19 , 16:52
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Originally Posted by marbleuser

ok, so youre saying you don't want any maemo/meego apps ported to jolla?

do you need an explanation as to why youre saying that?

two letters:PY

who's going to go and learn c++ just to port their unit converter to jolla?

THP is porting gpodder to c++ jolla, but he actually works for them now AFAIK.

still you'll have lots of ANDROID apps to choose from. not all of them will work though. it just a dalvik compatibility layer and not the real thing. if that's all you want (which is exactly what youre saying), then buy a SAMSUNG.

What the hell are you talking about? PySide can be ported to Qt5 just go out port it if you want it! its open source