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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=299
The top image shows the difference, and it's a pretty big difference. Photoshop an image onto both of those, or at least use your imagination -- any text or video would look much smaller on that smaller screen. You can't compare it with the unmaximized microb because the text size doesn't change unmaximized, and that's a key item. Could it be compared to viewing with the 80% option on the current N8x0, which I avoid except for (very few) particular websites (formatting is broken otherwise) and really don't want to be stuck to that size? Not accurately, but that might be probably closer to the experience than an unmaximized browser, though we can't accurately say because qgil mentioned that they were creative in this area. Moving the tablet away from your eyes is about the only accurate way, and even that's not equal to the experience. So it's really a guess, (like most of what we've been discussing in this thread).
Having said that, I agree with Capt'n Corrupt, that "Being able to surf anywhere is a transformative experience," and I'd like to be wired in wherever I am, but have been working around that until now, and I'm fine with it for the time being. (I have a saved text version of xbox/ xbox 360 backward compatibility list, for example, as a substitute for being connected 24/7). Would I sacrifice 12% of the screen for it? Very grudgingly, but I know and am reminded every day that the N800 screen spoils me.
Of course, I personally think most of this discussion is moot; I could be wrong but I think there will be a more tablet-like maemo device. "How soon?" is my only question, based on this post:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...986#post290986
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Last edited by Justjoe; 2009-05-28 at 14:47.
The top image shows the difference, and it's a pretty big difference. Photoshop an image onto both of those, or at least use your imagination -- any text or video would look much smaller on that smaller screen. You can't compare it with the unmaximized microb because the text size doesn't change unmaximized, and that's a key item. Could it be compared to viewing with the 80% option on the current N8x0, which I avoid except for (very few) particular websites (formatting is broken otherwise) and really don't want to be stuck to that size? Not accurately, but that might be probably closer to the experience than an unmaximized browser, though we can't accurately say because qgil mentioned that they were creative in this area. Moving the tablet away from your eyes is about the only accurate way, and even that's not equal to the experience. So it's really a guess, (like most of what we've been discussing in this thread).
Having said that, I agree with Capt'n Corrupt, that "Being able to surf anywhere is a transformative experience," and I'd like to be wired in wherever I am, but have been working around that until now, and I'm fine with it for the time being. (I have a saved text version of xbox/ xbox 360 backward compatibility list, for example, as a substitute for being connected 24/7). Would I sacrifice 12% of the screen for it? Very grudgingly, but I know and am reminded every day that the N800 screen spoils me.
Of course, I personally think most of this discussion is moot; I could be wrong but I think there will be a more tablet-like maemo device. "How soon?" is my only question, based on this post:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...986#post290986
Joe.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
I get to use Nokia 5800 regularly and the accelerometer is rather a problem than a solution. It tends to go into landscape mode whenever it wants, not when you want it to. And yes, 5800 screen is too small for comfortable browsing, so I am not sure what your point was.
Neither of these browsers easily allows one to zoom in or out to read text in optimal size. Nor does the hardware have an accelerometer to switch to landscape mode. N900 will do the latter
You're a special case, an exception to the rule. The market does not and will probably not easily please you precisely because of that. So you must team up with those who feel alike (as I said earlier in a post make your own hardware).
The question is if it is acceptable for potential customers, for which percentage of potential customers it is not acceptable, and whether that percentage qualifies for an other product which fullfills their need (an add-on product or a stand-alone product).
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Hahaha.. Seriously!
I keep seeing this reference, and scratching my head. I can't imagine a need for a dpad in an xterm... I think it's the one app that doesn't need the dpad at all. That's what hjkl are for :-)
YARR!
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
Nice point and thanks for the comparative figure. In fact I use my N810 in windowed mode most of the time (except with Canola etc).
I wonder if many here are having trouble conceptualizing the size of a 3.5" screen. It sounds really small, but this is an illusion, it is quite adequately sized. To help, consider that it is pretty much the same size as Maemo on the NIT in windowed mode.
Also I do recall in threads that most of the people were against having any application open in full screen mode by default. Rather they wanted to use apps in windowed mode with a choice to go full screen if needed - hence that suggests that they also use apps in windowed mode most of the time. I am sure most people do that. So if the 3.5 " screen = windowed mode screen size (or thereabouts), then that seems just fine by me.
Of course I understand that the 3.5" screen will now have a windowed mode again thereby reducing app screen real-estate to less than 3.5". But then just go full-screen in that case. I always did like full screened apps like Canola, Flip clock etc ... again, this is entirely a matter of choice - but I guess many of us here who dislike the small screen factor might not be put off once we see the real thing in flesh and metal and LCD parts.
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by nilchak
Maemo 5's UI doesn't have a side bar - only a top one, so the windowed mode is less wasteful of space.
Of course I understand that the 3.5" screen will now have a windowed mode again thereby reducing app screen real-estate to less than 3.5".
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by nilchak
Thanks!
Nice point and thanks for the comparative figure. In fact I use my N810 in windowed mode most of the time (except with Canola etc).
I also use most apps in windowed mode exclusively with little trouble.
From what I understand, Maemo 5 will have an interface to compensate for window'd mode, and knowing that the focus has been largely on usability, it'll probably be comfortable to use.
I am very excited for the performance increases, the camera, and the anywhere internet, all on an optimized open linux OS! I just wish it were out already!
YARR!
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
I was responding to the person who was telling me about all the great communication technologies that will be here. Well, there not here, so how about I just use what is here. Or is that too much in the past for you?
No, you're living in the past. Come join us in the present, where even the NITs are communication devices (coming bundled with multiple flavors of VOIP), and where the trend in current pocketables is to at least offer a 3G connection.
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Originally Posted by fms
(Totally different market segment and OS but OK...)
I get to use Nokia 5800 regularly and the accelerometer is rather a problem than a solution. It tends to go into landscape mode whenever it wants, not when you want it to.
Really. So accelerometer means problem. The only time that happens on my iPod touch is when I'm lying on either side in my bed using the thing. But then someone made a small application which allows me to toggle off the accelerometer. What an invention! You can actually disable a piece of hardware. Accelerometer has been useful in many devices, yes, including auto rotation. Assuming there are no hardware bugs it is still not perfect because by default UI isn't optimized for it, so many applications won't be useful with it. But some are or will be, and it is then important (e-mail for example).
Labeling everyone you do not agree with "an exception to the rule" is not gonna work either. Kinda old trick, too.
Well, I guess we have figured it out by now that pretty much none of us here at t.m.e are these elusive "potential customers".
Given how much the upcoming N900 looks like a phone, one would guess that its potential customers are the same guys who are buying S60e5 phones. But in this case, N900 will be in the direct competition with 5800, upcoming N97, spied 5900, and so forth. This makes one wonder why Nokia would compete with itself.
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Originally Posted by daperl
We're talking about a device we won't get our hands on for some months, which will have those "great communication technologies", namely cellular data and voip. And will have GSM, which may be used as backwards compatibility only even if not labeled as such. Yes, writing it off simply because current devices fall into a tablet/phone dichotomy is too much in the past for me.
I was responding to the person who was telling me about all the great communication technologies that will be here. Well, there not here, so how about I just use what is here. Or is that too much in the past for you?
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