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Ok, here you go, a video comparison with DOSBox on Maemo 5, anDosBox on NITDroid, and anDOSBOX also on NITDroid.
See for your self and stop wasting time using DOSBox on Maemo 5...
It really is more usefull with anDOSBox
YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIy4DQY4aFA
Edit:
Somehow, I typed the last video as "DOSBox on Maemo 5", that should be "anDOSBox on NITDroid".
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Last edited by HtheB; 2011-11-13 at 18:42.
See for your self and stop wasting time using DOSBox on Maemo 5...
It really is more usefull with anDOSBox
YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIy4DQY4aFA
Edit:
Somehow, I typed the last video as "DOSBox on Maemo 5", that should be "anDOSBox on NITDroid".
Corrected with an annotation
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2011-11-13
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Sorry, but this doesn't comply for "why it should work faster, from technical point of view". Show me parts of source code from dosbox for android or andosbox, that make it faster - if it is true, I'll immediately suggest including it in mainstream dosbox 
To be honest, with correct settings in dosbox config, frequency range 500-900 and swap on microSD, performance on Maemo is outstanding - even System Shock (1) is *almost* playable. Try that on Nitroid
It always wonder me, how easily a little "marketing" ramble, with 0% meritocratic value, can make people "fanboys" of certain things. Really, is it *so* hard to understand, that any "miracle" speedup in source code inside dosbox for Android, would be immediately included in mainstream?
Stop wasting Your time with GPL violations/adware/fail platforms - or, stay with it, if You want (it's free world) - but, please, don't advocate depreciated things, unless You can meritocrately argument rationale for it.
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On the other hand, my question about right mouse click is still actual... Any help - even explanation of methods from Diablo - would be *very* appreciated - I would love to use programs/games that include right mouse click.
/Estel
To be honest, with correct settings in dosbox config, frequency range 500-900 and swap on microSD, performance on Maemo is outstanding - even System Shock (1) is *almost* playable. Try that on Nitroid
It always wonder me, how easily a little "marketing" ramble, with 0% meritocratic value, can make people "fanboys" of certain things. Really, is it *so* hard to understand, that any "miracle" speedup in source code inside dosbox for Android, would be immediately included in mainstream?
Stop wasting Your time with GPL violations/adware/fail platforms - or, stay with it, if You want (it's free world) - but, please, don't advocate depreciated things, unless You can meritocrately argument rationale for it.
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On the other hand, my question about right mouse click is still actual... Any help - even explanation of methods from Diablo - would be *very* appreciated - I would love to use programs/games that include right mouse click.
/Estel
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2011-11-13
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Originally Posted by Estel
You have to know that it's just optimizing so it works better on the mobile device.
Sorry, but this doesn't comply for "why it should work faster, from technical point of view". Show me parts of source code from dosbox for android or andosbox, that make it faster - if it is true, I'll immediately suggest including it in mainstream dosbox
To be honest, with correct settings in dosbox config, frequency range 500-900 and swap on microSD, performance on Maemo is outstanding - even System Shock (1) is *almost* playable. Try that on Nitroid
It always wonder me, how easily a little "marketing" ramble, with 0% meritocratic value, can make people "fanboys" of certain things. Really, is it *so* hard to understand, that any "miracle" speedup in source code inside dosbox for Android, would be immediately included in mainstream?
Stop wasting Your time with GPL violations/adware/fail platforms - or, stay with it, if You want (it's free world) - but, please, don't advocate depreciated things, unless You can meritocrately argument rationale for it.
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On the other hand, my question about right mouse click is still actual... Any help - even explanation of methods from Diablo - would be *very* appreciated - I would love to use programs/games that include right mouse click.
/Estel
I showed that a right mouseclick can be accomplished with a simple app
I'm going to try out System Shock (1) to show you the differences
Edit:
Found the (old) source of anDosBox:
anDOSBox1.1.0 Source
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2011-11-13
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Ok, after briefly examining anDOSBox sources (checking for differences), I don't see *any* reason, why it should work faster. In fact, it may be even less reliable, in case of some games (it seems that is "dumped down", breaking support for games that would not run with playable speed on most android devices).
So, my question "how it is better" is still open. We already know, how it is worse (GPL violation, changing code in non-documented way, that should be smashed with fire).
/Estel
So, my question "how it is better" is still open. We already know, how it is worse (GPL violation, changing code in non-documented way, that should be smashed with fire).
/Estel
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2011-11-13
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Originally Posted by Estel
As I already said, it is the old version. I should find the newest version for you.
Ok, after briefly examining anDOSBox sources (checking for differences), I don't see *any* reason, why it should work faster. In fact, it may be even less reliable, in case of some games (it seems that is "dumped down", breaking support for games that would not run with playable speed on most android devices).
So, my question "how it is better" is still open. We already know, how it is worse (GPL violation, changing code in non-documented way, that should be smashed with fire).
/Estel
Originally Posted by Estel
As a "default user", I just look how usefull it is and if it's just working with my old dos games.
I don't see *any* reason, why it should work faster.
I just cant play my old games with all the other ports...
Why isn't the DosBox on Maemo and even aDosBox (the other opensource port for android) so much crappier than anDosBox?
By the way, you can get the source of anDosBox by just mailing the guy
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2011-11-13
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I'm non-experienced as coder too, but even user should - IMO - take much care, to filter out placebo effect, from regular gain. Also, it's possible, that andosbox got some options "locked" (no matter of config) for maximum performance, hence dropping support for games requiring other settings.
With dosbox, One can - like me - tweak settings for max performance, and, for games that have specific needs, just keep other customized config files too.
My question "if it is so miraculous and Open Source at the same time, why You think magic code would not be included in mainstream by dosbox devs, working hard on achieving best performance?" still remains. That is why I ask for rationale, not subjective user experience.
/Estel
With dosbox, One can - like me - tweak settings for max performance, and, for games that have specific needs, just keep other customized config files too.
My question "if it is so miraculous and Open Source at the same time, why You think magic code would not be included in mainstream by dosbox devs, working hard on achieving best performance?" still remains. That is why I ask for rationale, not subjective user experience.
/Estel
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2011-11-13
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Originally Posted by Estel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUqmioQO-H0
To be honest, with correct settings in dosbox config, frequency range 500-900 and swap on microSD, performance on Maemo is outstanding - even System Shock (1) is *almost* playable. Try that on Nitroid
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2011-11-13
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OK, I admit that SystemShock work on anDosbox with similar performance to dosbox on Maemo, with correct settings.
By the way, andosbox is doing pernament framedrop (see sources) - normally, You can set this value in dosbox settings. This is how many frames dosbox skip (without processing) before drawing one. Setting 1-3 give quite a boost to performance, without much visible effects - higher start to being visible.
So, basically, Andosbox is doing framedrop constantly = constantly lowering output graphic quality, no matter if it is needed or not. That's all the "mystery". Sure, You may not notice it on Android device, but, why to use it, if You can set exactly same things on normal dosbox (or tweak it exactly to Your likings)?
/Estel
Last edited by Estel; 2011-11-13 at 21:34.
By the way, andosbox is doing pernament framedrop (see sources) - normally, You can set this value in dosbox settings. This is how many frames dosbox skip (without processing) before drawing one. Setting 1-3 give quite a boost to performance, without much visible effects - higher start to being visible.
So, basically, Andosbox is doing framedrop constantly = constantly lowering output graphic quality, no matter if it is needed or not. That's all the "mystery". Sure, You may not notice it on Android device, but, why to use it, if You can set exactly same things on normal dosbox (or tweak it exactly to Your likings)?
/Estel
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2011-11-13
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Originally Posted by Estel
Be my guest and improve the DosBox on Maemo...
OK, I admit that SystemShock work on anDosbox with similarperformance to dosbox on Maemo, with correct settings.
By the way, andosbox is doing pernament framedrop (see sources) - normally, You can set this value in dosbox settings. This is how many frames dosbox skip (without processing) before drawing one. Setting 1-3 give quite a boost to performance, without much visible effects - higher start to being visible.
So, basically, Andosbox is doing framedrop constantly = constantly lowering output graphic quality, no matter if it is needed or not. That's all the "mystery". Sure, You may not notice it on Android device, but, why to use it, if You can set exactly same things on normal dosbox (or tweak it exactly to Your likings)?
/Estel
Because all I want is just playing old dos games (without much tweaks.. anDosBox doesn't need any tweaks to run any game)
That's the only reason why I just use anDosBox... It just works very well..
Have You achieved right click functionality in dosbox with Your method? If yes, what I'm missing? sorry for dumb question, but I'm quite lost in this case.
Keep in mind, that I'm using N900, on Diablo it may look a little different.
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