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sixwheeledbeast	2012-09-25 , 19:00
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Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast

One thing I would like to do is poll to get peoples maximum range between N900's out of interest. I may make something if anybody's interested.
Maybe if we could find out a correlation that X, Y and Z have the best ranges we can investigate the differences in hardware.

Done.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi/IR_Hardware

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davdav	2012-09-25 , 19:15
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just an idea why don't you put a LOOP option to macros

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whayong	2012-09-25 , 20:49
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

Hmm, a brand new version of the Roomba! They might have changed the IR protocol for it. (Actually, I'm not entirely sure that all models even support IR control -- the manual says "optional accessory for selected models" in the Remote Control chapter.)

I'll take a look around if someone has posted an updated config file...

Edit: The Roomba manual also states that the "Home Base" and "Virtual Walls" will interfere with an infrared remote control, as they are apparently using the same IR ports for communication. So, you can't use the remote when the robot is near those items...

I'm not currently using any virtual walls. I've also tried using Pierogi near and far from the base station. I did read on the manual how the IR ports can be blocked by those devices. It's to bad because it would be nice to be able to remotely (via IR) start the iRobots cleaning cycle since the unit I have doesn't have the scheduling feature the higher models have.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Can you tell me how limited the distance is? (There shouldn't be a range problem with Samsungs; I've been doing a lot of my testing on a Samsung LCD, and getting respectable range.) Thanks!

I have a Samsung 7000 series LED TV. According to my tape measure, Pierogi works fine up to 10ft (~3m). Anything out of that and it is a hit or miss. Is that distance consistent with your tests?

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	Copernicus	2012-09-25 , 22:03
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Originally Posted by davdav

just an idea why don't you put a LOOP option to macros

Yes! Easy to implement, but I need to work out the UI implications (as I haven't even put together a decent UI for basic macros yet). Also, it'd probably be nice to have ways to break out of the loop.

I'd figure that both a timer and a counter would be useful, but maybe there are other conditionals that would be appropriate? (And, of course, a manual "exit loop" button...)

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	Copernicus	2012-09-25 , 22:14
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Originally Posted by whayong

I'm not currently using any virtual walls. I've also tried using Pierogi near and far from the base station. I did read on the manual how the IR ports can be blocked by those devices. It's to bad because it would be nice to be able to remotely (via IR) start the iRobots cleaning cycle since the unit I have doesn't have the scheduling feature the higher models have.

There is also a wireless "command center" you can get for the Roomba. It looks a bit expensive, but wouldn't have the IR interference problems...

Let me take another look at my iRobot protocol; I haven't been able to find a different protocol for the 600 series, but then I haven't really been able to test on any iRobot device yet.

I have a Samsung 7000 series LED TV. According to my tape measure, Pierogi works fine up to 10ft (~3m). Anything out of that and it is a hit or miss. Is that distance consistent with your tests?

Yeah, actually, that's about the average range I've been getting on various devices. It depends a bit on the receiver as well as the N900. Most regular remote controls do get a little more range, but not a whole lot more; most consumer IR devices don't seem to be designed to work at extreme ranges.

I'm going to pull out a tape measure as well and see how I match up on Sixwheeledbeast's new comparison page.

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	Copernicus	2012-09-25 , 22:45
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Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast

http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi/IR_Hardware

Actually, I'd love to know the range of Pierogi to any device, not just the most problematic ranges.

If I can make a little plot of worst-to-best, it might be easier to see what the best protocols are doing right as well as what the worst protocols are doing wrong...

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sixwheeledbeast	2012-09-26 , 19:36
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

Actually, I'd love to know the range of Pierogi to any device, not just the most problematic ranges. If I can make a little plot of worst-to-best, it might be easier to see what the best protocols are doing right as well as what the worst protocols are doing wrong...

OK edited to ask for all column to be filled.
Also added a working example of "LG Keyset 1" to the table.

The question is where do you call an issue an issue.
I have put 2.5m on one of my latest updates but my other device gets 4m.
I suppose the issue actually indicates if it works from were you would expect it to and/or compared with the stock remote?

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	Copernicus	2012-09-26 , 19:52
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Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast

OK edited to ask for all column to be filled.
Also added a working example of "LG Keyset 1" to the table.

The question is where do you call an issue an issue.
I have put 2.5m on one of my latest updates but my other device gets 4m.
I suppose the issue actually indicates if it works from were you would expect it to and/or compared with the stock remote?

I guess, for me, I treat all of Pierogi as still being questionable. You may be getting 4m now, but maybe you could be getting 5m if I set things up just right...

So yeah, I don't know exactly what you should treat as an issue and what you shouldn't.

It is also true that many manufacturers set up their devices to be extremely tolerant of off-spec IR signals. (After all, most remote controls are constructed very cheaply.) I'm always amazed looking at the LIRC config files; some of the timings in them are off by more than 20 or 30 percent, and yet they still work fine. I have a sneaking suspicion that the problem with Sony devices is that Sony builds their equipment so well, they don't have to be tolerant of off-spec timing. And, therefore, they are unhappy with some aspect of my protocols that other devices just don't care about.

(Which reminds me; maybe an additional column for the controlled device's make and model would be useful.)

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sixwheeledbeast	2012-09-26 , 20:03
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

(Which reminds me; maybe an additional column for the controlled device's make and model would be useful.)

Will do. Also will link "bugs" parts of Pierogi wiki's to the table too.
I didn't add this due to the fact I don't know the model of the Panasonic which is my friend's TV. Will find out when I remember to ask.