That’s awsome! Whats the differance. Can’t wait to see one in the wild.

An additional screen is all about visibility and productive work while typing. All arguments so far are/is invalid

Disapointed by reading these lines but you'll have your reasons. Was waiting for a real sailfish machine but after all these years i'm getting tired of an operating system that promised so much in the beggining and still does not deliver all the promisses. How i miss maemo and meego...

Agreed, it's disappointing because I think having AlienDalvik is going to be a showstopper for some people who want to use SFOS on the new qwerty slider.

Maybe it's best as a separate goal, and we could do this a step as a time:

• Step 1: chen produces the device, ships it with Android
• Step 2: crowdfunding for SFOS port

Chen, you've alluded to the fact that Jolla have not been supportive so far. Is the problem that they don't see it as a worthwhile investment to port SFOS to the device for free, or is it something else? Or is it a question of how much money it would cost?

As said at the time in the Youyota thread when you mentioned putting some sweat (and/or money and/or time) in supporting the Youyota project to help overcoming the difficulties, I was crossing my fingers that it wouldn't be at the cost of the Livermorium phone (feasibility, features, expectations of a timeline).

Now this is sad news to me. I did invest about 300€ in the Youyota tablet, I and I hope I will get it and most of all I hope the Youyota company can overcome the financial issues because I like what they try to achieve (even besides the tablet), but the tablet is a product from the past and even the official Jolla version is barely supported by Jolla or independent application developers. It's a nice project, but can only have a limited impact. The Livermorium could be a game changer but any significant sacrifice to the original plan may hinder its reach.

The delay is a non-issue, we are all impatient but are also all expecting delays. It's frustrating, but as long as we are not talking about many years, the device should sell relatively well among TMO members. The change of target OS, however, is something. And depending on what kind of delays we are talking, I don't think there will be a proper functional Linux alternative for a smartphone when the device is ready to hit the market. Sadly, however I'm sure I will love the hardware, I am afraid I may be out if the phone only comes with an official Android support (or any of its better and more open clones), but I do understand that the vast majority of people who would back the product in a crowdfunding campaign will actually expect something Androidish, so I understand the cut. AlienDalvik is clearly a showstopper (which is sad too, by the way).

Then, again, I did know that none of the things listed in the original plan were set in stone or promises. I know all features can change depending on a variety of constraints, funding, sup[plies, time, or any of the many ways to fail along the long chain from the idea to the mass production. There may be other reasons that already compromised Sailfish as one of the official OSes for this phone at an earlier point, and I would totally understand. However you seemed pretty enthusiastic about this double OS option so far, and now it seems that the Youyota did have a noticeable impact in that decision, which I think can be regretted if it's the major factor.

On the other hand, the complain wasn't about a second 6" UHD screen (the most expensive part in a smartphone).

You'd be surprised how much a camera cost in a smartphone
HINT: there's a reason why smartphone camera for selfies has move away from a swivelling design (rotating the single camera between shooting and selfie position like on Sony Clié PDAs and some SDIO add-ons) to a the current popular dual-cam setup.

Which is completely a non-argument for anyone except maybe Apple and a few of its competitor who seem to be on a competition on who's going to make the thinnest phone possible with which you could cut cheese.

This project being a device with a physical keyboard (naturally thick), gaining 1mm at the detriment of standard ports (audio jack) wouldn't make sense.

On the other hand I am the kind of guys that PDA and smartphone have been already having a practical size since they aren't briefcase-sized anymore.

That would be a valid argument against fingerprint. On the other hand they tend to be enormously useful in lots of modern apps (mostly banking, etc.)

Again, luckily these are not moving parts (as the swivelling camera of old time) but mostly solid state with very few moving part (focus).

Thank you for understanding what we hate with on-screen keyboards.


Sad but well, you have your reasons.

How could it have two displays and a QWERTY? Flipping like this?

Some progress has been made and a survey has been sent to some community members regarding this project. All the feedback is deeply appreciated.

Hint: No more crowdfunding in the future... (hopefully)

No more crowdfunding? Never? Ever?

This is good news. Can't wait to see the updates as they come.

Eternity is a very long time, Dave.