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jalyst	2011-09-28 , 22:02
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Oh yeah, I think I recall the one you're talking about now.
"Shortly after release" could mean anything with Nokia though

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Lindegaard	2011-09-28 , 22:20
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Originally Posted by jalyst

Can you please post-up as much info. as possible about you N9? K thx!

sure, no problem - but I dont know what to write. I've only just set up my emails (i dont use mail for exchange, so i dont know if that works as it should), but my gmail and hotmail seems to be working ok.

writing mails, sms ect is fine. Pictiures are great - maybe I should do a comparison with my Nokia N8 and maybe the iphone4.

I haven't tried installing that many apps and frankly i dont know if the Nokia store is lacking anything the symbian devices have...

I couldn't find moodagent but i'll live and its made available for webos so why not meego? Maybe im just blind..

I'm not that much of a dev and my usage is probably like the average smartphone user. Some certain apps you use a lot, some browsing (working great btw), music, sms, mail ect. I saw Sportstracker have made their app for meego which is great as i use it often - however my music is still on my N8 and i've got a hardcover mounted on my bike so I havent tested that.

all in all, my gf's iphony4 is acting as if it were designed in 2007 compared to this 2011 model.

- so nothing new

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Lindegaard	2011-09-28 , 22:24
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Originally Posted by tissot

While at it, anybody from Nor or Swe know a shop from where i can get N9 for next week?

With contract it shouldn't be a problem in Denmark, without is probably more difficult...

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	danramos	2011-09-28 , 22:26
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Originally Posted by OVK

So that Nokia does not have any influence over Tizen. Qt had to go to hurt Nokia.

Are you sure it isn't for far more cross-platform compatibility and web-leaning services? Not that Nokia doesn't deserve to get hurt after some of the pain they've caused everyone else.

Originally Posted by jalyst

It's rather trivial I know, but where the heck do they come up with these names??
Can't they be a bit more creative, something that embodies the ethos & the nature of their work?
Why does it have to be weird abstract names like: Maemo/MeeGo/Tizen for chrisakes, LOL.

Yeah! Why couldn't they name it something that embodies a beautiful scene and implies something lovely to cover the stink of the other dead OS's it was based on? Like say... Vista?

Originally Posted by hotnikkelz

Not sure why you're trying to justify the fact that you only posted what you posted JUST to bash microsoft. It makes you look more fanboyish than usual You could've just as easily posted a review...and there are many more easily found.

Let's deal with your hate a little bit: There's no need to make it sound like a personal attack and no need to make it personal by finding ways to dismiss the argument (i.e. "you're just a fanboi").

You're equating my replying to a long list of criticism on Windows Phone 7 with a link to a URL with a much longer list of criticism... bashing? You're basically arguing that bugtraq and customer support forums are nothing more than a means to bashing and have no constructive or communicative nature. I can't agree with that, but we can agree to disagree, then. More importantly your final sentence bolsters the point that there is much to criticize in the plenty of critical reviews to be found "bashing" or criticizing Windows Phone 7--thusly making my point, but then why should I post a BUNCH of reviews when I had ONE URL listing off a far more objective list of bugs and problems with far less personal "opinion" points? Settle down. This isn't something worth arguing over. I replied to him and there's no need for you to get involved in this particular conversation unless you had something to offer. Admittedly, you tried--although I don't think you really read through the forum thread, but you tried to make some points. Good effort.

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	danramos	2011-09-28 , 22:37
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Originally Posted by marxian

Let's play that game where you make new words by changing one letter at a time:

Tizen

Tizer

Tazer

Taser - is what I'd like to use on Eflops scrotum.

Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ#t=2m

Originally Posted by bbin

i'm really eager to see what comes out of this Tizen (eleven in Hungarian. what's up with that?) but I'm not holding my breath. I would be surprised if they ever release a handset with this in it. Intel's handset chips are so far behind arm right now and Samsung has already failed once with LiMo.

Tizen may mean "eleven" in Hungarian, but when it's phonetically spoken outloud the English word "teasin'" (teasing) comes to mind. I guarantee you that will become a wordplay in the press that won't look good for the new OS (the way "Ovi" went over very badly with English and Latin-derived languages speaking countries). They really should reconsider the name. Quickly.

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gerbick	2011-09-28 , 22:40
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Originally Posted by somedude

so gerbick any word on the 64gb Mexican N9?

Zero on the 64gb. 16gb, I got a final price on it with a discount worked out for the most part. Also found out that Cyan might not be making an appearance in Mexico initially - just Black and Magenta.

And yes... I'm annoying folks in Mexico City daily to find out more.

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	xerxes2	2011-09-28 , 22:50
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The whole Tizen thing is actually a bit funny because Nokia whined a long time before they were allowed to call Harmattan Meego.

I bet qgil and other Nokia dudes didn't see this coming. Or anyone else for that matter.

Now what's next? The N9 being delayed a few more weeks because they must make new boxes marked "Tizen 1.2 Harmattan".

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gerbick	2011-09-28 , 22:57
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The more abstract these names are getting, the harder the sell happens to be... I wonder if they'd notice that and think differently.

Maemo? May-mo. Tizen? Tie-zhen? Teasing?

Seriously? It's as bad as half the tools we use... sed, awk, grep, git, capistrano... those words do not give normal people comfort in daily usage. Hell, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSe and even Monad (powershell), seem to steer people from comfort to overly technical talk in mere moments.

Android is now accepted. iPhone is now accepted as well - even iOS is somewhat in line with their iSomething philosophy. But MeeGo? Maemo? Any of the above? They seem to make it seem like it's a geek only area in discussion.

Branding needs to think about that before naming it something that sounds all complicated and you actually need to read a manual, read online forums that are so against any n00bs and constantly berate folks for "not doing your research" (sounds familiar?) and what not.

Even Bada is cheapened by its name. It sounds like a half-excited Tony Soprano extra in a badly scripted scene.

Tizen? I don't hate the name. But I like it less than MeeGo and I truly disliked it. But at least it's not LiMo, which looks like limo as in the stretched car; how is said by many folks like Lee-mo.

Oh boy, and there was SavaJe. Seriously... these names geeks pull out for their favorite platforms put it at a marketing disadvantage.

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	somedude	2011-09-28 , 23:05
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Zero on the 64gb. 16gb, I got a final price on it with a discount worked out for the most part. Also found out that Cyan might not be making an appearance in Mexico initially - just Black and Magenta.

And yes... I'm annoying folks in Mexico City daily to find out more.

i am sure plenty of folks will join and you could get better pricing on bulk order, as ysss also mentioned i am more interested in the 64gb after seeing how much user storage is available. i like to keep my pictures in phone and not delete or move it somewhere and with the 8mpx and so low storage for user that might be difficult. I love how iphone can sync with my iphoto worth 38gb of pictures and still manage to transfer all while only taking up 11gb. hope nokia link is somewhat capable of doing so.(i dont care about the quality of picture on phone screen as long as its not grainy or look pixalated due to over compression)

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	danramos	2011-09-28 , 23:09
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Originally Posted by shallimus

Yeah, no doubt. They're getting the end of the stick which isn't brown and sticky.

Imagine the following:
Yugo corporation has lots of money and has been trying to make a successful car for ages

Audi have been building great cars for ages, but have lost their way quite badly and are floundering

Yugo 'partner' with Audi

All future Audi models will now feature Yugo engines, but will retain Audi floor mats, doorhandles, wing mirrors etc.

You are a Yugo owner/enthusiast

Naturally, you're going to be thrilled!

Not so much the poor suckers who have been waiting for their new R8 though...

I, for one, look forward to purchasing my new Yugo R8 soon. I trust it will be inexpensive, look incredibly beautiful and that the engine will barely be able to move the body when there's anything more than one American-sized driver sitting in a seat.

Windows Phone 7 is so cute. It's tryyyying!

Originally Posted by gerbick

Samsung going for Tizen, now they're a 4 mobile OS company. Android, WP7, Bada and now Tizen.

Don't forget that Samsung has been talking up rumors about dropping Windows Phone 7. If nothing else, this might be leverage somehow--or maybe they're genuinely considering growing past Android and into something more desktop-powerful on efficient processors for mobile laptops and tablets that Android might not quite satisfy. Just brainstorming based on these various rumors and confirmed revelations together. I sincerely doubt they'll drop Android on handsets and tablets, in any case... at least not in the foreseeable future.

Tizen needs traction. People looking at only Qt as their reason why it will fail, I disagree. Qt Components don't even run equally across Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo. Where's the "run anywhere" mentality? Qt Quick/QML isn't fully supported on the prior Maemo 4.1 - despite an update or two. But then again, that's been settled via MeeGo CE on that platform. But the aforesaid problem still exists.

Android is a source of revenue for Microsoft - vague patents that have yet to be explained in full detail. Samsung is paying Microsoft doubly. Tizen might resolve that, but it's far too early.

And the rest of the anger towards Tizen/Qt - it didn't help MeeGo that Qt was there. MeeGo didn't benefit from Nokia - February 2010, they announced full support. February 2011, they denounced MeeGo, surprising Intel. They've yet to still fully release the N9, and now this happens... there's no upgrade path described from MeeGo 1.2 under Harmattan to Tizen 1.x under Harmattan. So that's now a dead-end, as previously predicted by Elop (in so many words).

Now what is next?[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by xerxes2

The whole Tizen thing is actually a bit funny because Nokia whined a long time before they were allowed to call Harmattan Meego. I bet qgil and other Nokia dudes didn't see this coming. Or anyone else for that matter.

Now what's next? The N9 being delayed a few more weeks because they must make new boxes marked "Tizen 1.2 Harmattan".

Originally Posted by gerbick

Tizen? I don't hate the name. But I like it less than MeeGo and I truly disliked it. But at least it's not LiMo, which looks like limo as in the stretched car; how is said by many folks like Lee-mo.

Tizen is an incredibly unfortunate name to market. It WILL be abused. LiMo would have been worse--FAR too easy to mangle it as 'lame-o' in the hearts and minds of someone who's just hearing about the name for the first time. I know it's the first thing I misread it as when I came across it the first time--and sometimes again even now. I'm in total agreement with you on this.