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	ibrakalifa	2012-04-21 , 18:00
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maemo5 or harmattan? Yes i totally agree about stability, but both fremantle or harmattan are stable, for me personally my n900 boot into maemo5 in the morning(i need call, thats true), but when i come home, Nitdroid is there(my son(3years old) wanna play fruit ninja, and i use my n9(my wife's phone), already sold my lumia and galaxy, i just loving how the way maemo is, totally different and unique

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gerbick	2012-04-21 , 18:29
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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa

maemo5 or harmattan? Yes i totally agree about stability, but both fremantle or harmattan are stable, for me personally my n900 boot into maemo5 in the morning(i need call, thats true), but when i come home, Nitdroid is there(my son(3years old) wanna play fruit ninja, and i use my n9(my wife's phone), already sold my lumia and galaxy, i just loving how the way maemo is, totally different and unique

And therein lies my problem. Maemo was different enough to have compelled me to purchase multiple devices over multiple iterations of their OS.

And now, we're dealing with the fact that Maemo will not be funded in a way we'd all consider worthy for what innovations it brings to the table. Also, third party support will never be what we'd like either and community support is great, downright impressive what's been done in this community actually... but we'll never see certain tier apps that mainstream folks need to compel them to invest into a platform.

Skype is great, no video call though? Problem. Google Talk is great, video even better... but no Google Plus nor support for "Huddles" and it becomes a hard sell.

No Whatsapp (officially), no Pandora (official), no official eBay, and you end up with a situation of where it's an orphaned mobile OS that multi-tasks like no other, but will not receive support from the people that make it all the way to third party support - no EA, no Microsoft (on Maemo)... among others. It's not there on Maemo.

And after 6+ years, you cannot do that in a mainstream app wanting society. Nor can you do that without media - movies, music either.

	ibrakalifa	2012-04-21 , 18:33
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Thats nokia failure not support it, it will be different if nokia never say will abandon it, whatsapp or any other apps will come if nokia support it properly, maemo itself is brilliant

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Zoxir	2012-04-21 , 18:46
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Originally Posted by Ashbeck

il keep this short and straight forward I really dont want to go on my computer right now.

1.its hard to tell because they would not tell you until the product is done and dusted. From the top of my head an example that was given was imaging.because nokia is market leaders in mobile imaging.

2.no, wp is a platform.(nokia is not changing the whole of windows phone, justwhere are good TX etc.) The ip belongs to nokia, eg, google used alot of Ip that motorola owned. By buying them they can avoid legal action. You have to pay someone for the use of their IP/PATENTS or else you get sued.
> it's a no
3. Press release. (example in point 2)

4. Android is not free, its open source. How do you think google makes money apart from advertising?. OEMS use android commercially, nor for personal use. Google charges for using its services "COMMERCIALLY" not private use. This is why the new ipad--in iphoto does not use google maps.

1 Lets say I agree.

2 If nokia adds something to WP and WP is then sold to HTC then HTC would get whatever nokia added in the OS. WP is not Nokias IP and they can't sue anyone over it.

3 Press release said MS would poor some money down Nokias way for their choice but it was never mentioned that Nokia would get part out ow WP income which is minimal anyway I remember the analysis on hom MS was making more money suing Android manufacturers than from WP.

4 Um No the only one getting royalties for android is micro$hit. Android itself is free however if you want to use google services such as google maps commercially then you have to pay which was the case with iPad.

	danramos	2012-04-21 , 20:42
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Originally Posted by Ashbeck

You forget symbian is not limited to smartphone, plus, the stats are global.
their declaration: Data Sample Credit/Licensing Stats are based on aggregate data
collected by StatCounter on a sample
exceeding 15 billion pageviews per
month collected from across the
StatCounter network of more than 3
million websites. Stats are updated and made available every 4 hours, however
are subject to quality assurance testing
and revision for 14 days from
publication. Please don't ask mee to go looking for other sources to cross analyse, I'm on mobile. Maybe later.

Sooooo.... yeah. Website counter. heheh Awesome.. THAT's a reliable stat. Yeah, if you could...please cite the website that you got this from. So far, it's rapidly apparent that this is probably not very relevant but please feel free to make your case just the same.

Originally Posted by Zoxir

Yeah who could ever match wanders of software engineering like win me, netbios, all win server editions, the win 8 costumer preview, wlm I could write more but I don't want to spend the rest of my life counting MS failures.

I can't believe you didn't list the Zune right away. I would TOTALLY put that at the top of that list for the #1 Microsoft EPIC FAIL AWARD.

Originally Posted by gerbick

NITdroid can't make phone calls still, right?

What's the use of a mobile OS that doesn't make calls?

But.. but... szopin told me in another thread that running a NEWER version of Android is still better even if it's crippled!

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

il keep this short and straight forward I really dont want to go on my computer right now.

You seem to conveniently have this problem an awful lot when it looks like you're about to make a weak argument.

Perhaps you should invest in a bluetooth keyboard like I do, or maybe wait until you get home to use a big boy's computer to tap out your blatherskite?

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

1.its hard to tell because they would not tell you until the product is done and dusted. From the top of my head an example that was given was imaging.because nokia is market leaders in mobile imaging.

Citation please. I can't remember ever seeing this. Last I checked, I believe that title was held by Insight Imaging. Or maybe it was Aptina Imaging? Mitek Systems? ADI? You know... honestly, it looks like ANY company can claim to be the leader in mobile imaging and stranger (for your argument), I can't seem to find Nokia on that list of market leaders in mobile imaging. Just what the hell are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

2.no, wp is a platform.(nokia is not changing the whole of windows phone, justwhere are good TX etc.) The ip belongs to nokia, eg, google used alot of Ip that motorola owned. By buying them they can avoid legal action. You have to pay someone for the use of their IP/PATENTS or else you get sued.
> it's a no

This is a pretty common tactic (buying for patent portfolios) in a post-SCO era. Sad, but true. This is what even honest companies and open-source itself has even had to lower itself down to. This is why there's now the existence of things like the Open Inventions Network.

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

3. Press release. (example in point 2)

This doesn't.. even.. make sense? What are you pointing to specifically? What press release making what point?

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

4. Android is not free, its open source. How do you think google makes money apart from advertising?. OEMS use android commercially, nor for personal use. Google charges for using its services "COMMERCIALLY" not private use. This is why the new ipad--in iphoto does not use google maps.

It's free and open and only portions of it are closed. Pretty much the same deal you get with Maemo. I'm pretty sure Google makes ALL of its money on Android from both advertising and Android Market (play) cut of sales. There's no licensing of the free and open portions of Android and, last I checked, the closed portions were free as in beer with no fee for licensing. If you know otherwise, can you PLEASE.. PLEASE for the love of accuracy and informed knowledge cite where you're getting your information from? Otherwise, you're injecting new information without citation and it does look like an un-truth. Savvy? Otherwise, the only 'fee' I've seen are the submarine "troll" patents from Microsoft to extort a bogus license on bogus patents they won't even tell you about. That's certainly not income for Google and it's irrelevant as a "license."

Originally Posted by gerbick

Skype is great, no video call though? Problem. Google Talk is great, video even better... but no Google Plus nor support for "Huddles" and it becomes a hard sell.

No Whatsapp (officially), no Pandora (official), no official eBay, and you end up with a situation of where it's an orphaned mobile OS that multi-tasks like no other, but will not receive support from the people that make it all the way to third party support - no EA, no Microsoft (on Maemo)... among others. It's not there on Maemo.

And after 6+ years, you cannot do that in a mainstream app wanting society. Nor can you do that without media - movies, music either.

You're starting to make Maemo sound like a Chinese knock-off eco-system with sound-alike, look-alike non-brand-name products that kinda-sorta look or do the thing the REAL ecosystems have and do... only something is off or crippled here and there.

Poor Maemo. What did Nokia do to you. You had SO MUCH PROMISE and POTENTIAL!

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Last edited by danramos; 2012-04-21 at 20:48.

szopin	2012-04-21 , 21:29
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Originally Posted by Zoxir

Ok I have a few questions. First of all does anyone know about a change nokia made to the WP code???? Second of all if nokia can actually make changes and then Microsoft offers WP to other manifacturers isn't Nokia doing R&D for free for companies like htc and samsung? Third of all where it was ever said that MS is to split royalty income with Nokia? Since when is google asking royalties for android????

Seen Nokia Transport on HTC device? It's a killer app for me, hope it will get ported to other Nokia OSes

Originally Posted by gerbick

NITdroid can't make phone calls still, right?

What's the use of a mobile OS that doesn't make calls?

Wifi/3G works well. Actually, just learned we have free HSPA+ internet in Poland, going to use my dev device for unlimited internet access. NITdroid is a likely oS for that as the SIM they give you doesn't support calls anyway (and is not capped like my standard contract). Sure, very limited user target, but have few friends who use their work mobile only for receiving sms(text) for server crashes, also quite some people carry two phones around (though usually other is blackberry, your experience might differ)

Originally Posted by danramos

But.. but... szopin told me in another thread that running a NEWER version of Android is still better even if it's crippled!

In different context, but yes (willing to bet gerbick has/carries few mobiles if he is so lacking upper tier apps, NITdroid ICS while having reliable Lumia together is an option, no? or does ebay app require calls...)

gerbick	2012-04-21 , 22:51
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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa

Thats nokia failure not support it, it will be different if nokia never say will abandon it...

Um... they said something like that... "Nokia N9 and MeeGo will be supported and updated 'for years'"

Yeah. Right.

gerbick	2012-04-21 , 23:00
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Originally Posted by szopin

Wifi/3G works well. Actually, just learned we have free HSPA+ internet in Poland, going to use my dev device for unlimited internet access. NITdroid is a likely oS for that as the SIM they give you doesn't support calls anyway (and is not capped like my standard contract). Sure, very limited user target, but have few friends who use their work mobile only for receiving sms(text) for server crashes, also quite some people carry two phones around (though usually other is blackberry, your experience might differ)

Great and all... it's still not a 1 for 1 phone call ready Android replacement.

In different context, but yes (willing to bet gerbick has/carries few mobiles if he is so lacking upper tier apps, NITdroid ICS while having reliable Lumia together is an option, no? or does ebay app require calls...)

eBay requires data. If dual-boot meant I'd not lose a call, I'd been happier. But that's not the case.

And for the record, I carry now only a laptop, an Android tablet and a cellphone. That's all...

szopin	2012-04-21 , 23:11
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Tell that to gingerbread users, there's millions of them. Still, argument was over over-hyped Nokia/MS with no Apollo update kick their users in the nuts. Google does the same, has always been, no facebook fangroups have been devoted to: lets abandon Google as they churn out newer OSes faster than what we get. This argument was danramos specific as he posted vidblog with such claims as having any impact on WP sales (very unlikely, but they do spam daily so looking for talking points I guess)

EDIT: Sorry, need to jab for my own pleasure... what in N900 would make you loose 2 devices? For me: laptop, tablet and phone sounds just ridiculous. Surely work related stuff, but... N900 gives the idea that all those can be served by one device. What are the use-scenarios for the other junk (than phone)? Genuinely curious

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gerbick	2012-04-21 , 23:30
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Originally Posted by szopin

Tell that to gingerbread users, there's millions of them.

Yeah. Those Gingerbread users can actually make phone calls. Which part of that seems to be overlooked in my part of the discussion.

I don't have to have the newest, or fastest... but if I buy a phone, it needs to work as a phone. And if there's a lot of hype around replacing the OS it needs to work - remember when the HTC HD2 got Android, it also made phone calls.

Still, argument was over over-hyped Nokia/MS with no Apollo update kick their users in the nuts.

MeeGo 1.3 was supposed to come out last October. There's enough nut kicks from all of these companies to go around to us consumers.

Google does the same, has always been, no facebook fangroups have been devoted to: lets abandon Google as they churn out newer OSes faster than what we get. This argument was danramos specific as he posted vidblog with such claims as having any impact on WP sales (very unlikely, but they do spam daily so looking for talking points I guess)

Definitely the case. But let's be honest... those fringe groups that want to do boycott something because X isn't coming to their machine... they'll end up buying something akin to what they're used to in the future or buy something that is more or less better researched in terms of becoming a purchase.

EDIT: Sorry, need to jab for my own pleasure... what in N900 would make you loose 2 devices?

Flash 11 player, more RAM, better third party support, no resistive screen that scratches that damn easily, a bit bigger screen (same resolution okay), Unity3D support, more RAM (I feel the need to say this twice), AT&T 3G/LTE data radio(s), updated Skype, ability to run my Adobe AIR apps that I make now for Android/Blackberry/Intel App-Up, a non-loosening microUSB port...

I can list out more. But let's just say that my needs do not follow what the masses here want. I don't code QML - no compelling reasons nor device plans to grab onto while in the US - and honestly if I go back to something like a developers phone, I'd want it to be where I can get the most exposure.

Ovi wasn't doing that - in fact, originally they were infuriating folks it seems.

For me: laptop, tablet and phone sounds just ridiculous. Surely work related stuff...

For work was only what I was relating to... for pleasure, only a phone. For some other stuff, phone in pocket and tablet in hand.

but... N900 gives the idea that all those can be served by one device. What are the use-scenarios for the other junk (than phone)? Genuinely curious

It tried rather hard. Take the insides of the N9, place them into the N950, add a few more refinements and that would have been a perfect phone + tablet replacement for me.

Now? Looking at the Samsung Galaxy Note instead. Nokia had their chance, and now my choices are expanding to where that's moving elsewhere now in regards to where I purchase something next.

Last edited by gerbick; 2012-04-21 at 23:37. Reason: Corrected a misspell.

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