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2008-12-09
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To bad there is no community fix for wsod...
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2008-12-09
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Originally Posted by bow
It's all about the support. Once maemo5 is out, the developers (either from Nokia, Skype, etc or from the maemo community) will stop working to develop/compile/patch for maemo4. Then we have at least one serious problem: security. I don't know what others think, but I would never input serious passwords/credit card numbers in an OS if no one is patching the security holes (BTW, this is why I would never install the vim-7.0 available in the extras repository; not sure whether the security flaw from the official release is patched, but don't want to risk it).
I really don't get the negativity... So what if Fremantle won't run on our old N8x0-s? For my beloved n800, Diablo does the job, letting me read ebooks, listen to music, watch videos, rdesktop onto my server to do stuff on a powerful machine, etc. I'll be able to go on doing all those things even if my n800 never ever gets another upgrade. Sure, diablo ain't perfect, but it ain't all that bad either, and the software we already have for it is great.
Do we only want OS-s that run on obsolete hardware? Backwards compatability is nice in theory, but rarely really works out. I want great new hardware, and great new software to run on it, optimized to run on that hardware. If that means
having to eventually stop -upgrading- my old machine, so be it.
Look to the possibilities and the future, not to the past!
I think why so many people are complaining is because they are doubtful about how much support the maemo community can provide without Nokia's "official backport". Is the community able to deliver a stripped-down (I don't really care much about the new eye-candy UI) version of maemo5 for N810? If not, can the community continue to fix serious problems (especially security related) in Diablo? Only time can tell...
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2008-12-09
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From my perspective what would make me most happy is to see the applications I use, e.g. GPE family, continue to improve on my N810. I will look to an N810 replacement when it's no longer capable of doing the basics I need from a digital assistant. WiFi meets my mobile networking needs without sending me to the poor house and controling my useage and choices the way cell carriers do.
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2008-12-09
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Despite feeling like I've been somewhat burned with my prior 770/N810 purchases, this is honestly exciting news.
Can't wait to see what the community and Nokia comes up with.
Can't wait to see what the community and Nokia comes up with.
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2008-12-09
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Originally Posted by smilerliu
There are more 4.1 maintenance releases in the pipeline. The Diablo future is quite open at the moment, and most of the possible scenarios include some kind of interaction with / ownership of the Maemo community.
It's all about the support. Once maemo5 is out, the developers (either from Nokia, Skype, etc or from the maemo community) will stop working to develop/compile/patch for maemo4.
There is no need to hurry. Maemo 5 has still a long way before it becomes the main reference. Let's look at the new code, let's detect the Nokia obstacles in the community way and let's find the most reasonable solutions. Stskeeps, GeneralAntilles and others are already doing this (and they didn't even wait for yesterday's release, btw).
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2008-12-09
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
1) I know there is such a utility, I wrote it. But we don't even know if BME uses this voltage(?) ADC reading, or reads mAh directly from battery (it does have three terminals).
Okay. Let's bring some sanity into this thread.
1) It's pretty decently understood how to get this information out of whatever chip takes care of it. You can find small utility programs laying about for that.
2) Nokia has actually been quite nice and provided a hald-addon-bme, in a nice seperated deb. Show your model number and you can download it. I used it in Deblet. It plugs in even my own custom compiled HAL, and shows itself as a battery like on any laptop PC.
3) http://wiki.maemo.org/Objective:Maemo_variants
2) It works with your custom compiled HAL. Will it works with my system using Fremantle HAL and libraries? Will it works with someone else's GCC5 compiled system? If Nokia wants to see a thriving system programming community they need to give us source or information, not binaries.
3) Thanks for this pointer. It clearly shows that there are quite large stumbling blocks left by Nokia for "community system". The binaries necessary for system operations need to be distributable. I don't see any progree in that direction for the three years that this subject is coming up. Is it legal to distribute a Deblet image containing hald-addon-bme?
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2008-12-09
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@ Germany
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Originally Posted by tso
When WSOD happens, the hardware breaks, and there's no fix except for replacing the LCD controller.
To bad there is no community fix for wsod...
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2008-12-09
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2) It works with your custom compiled HAL. Will it works with my system using Fremantle HAL and libraries? Will it works with someone else's GCC5 compiled system? If Nokia wants to see a thriving system programming community they need to give us source or information, not binaries.
In the meantime Nokia have made available the HAL plugin and have said they can and will provide other binaries as needed. Note that the Nokia developers do have other stuff to do (and this support is not official), so I would expect that the major projects such as Mer would have binaries available, but not that everyone can email and say I want a binary for such and such libc/kernel version.
That might not be a problem anyway depending on how the binary is structured, assuming the ARM ABI doens't change again for a while.
3) Thanks for this pointer. It clearly shows that there are quite large stumbling blocks left by Nokia for "community system". The binaries necessary for system operations need to be distributable. I don't see any progree in that direction for the three years that this subject is coming up. Is it legal to distribute a Deblet image containing hald-addon-bme?
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2008-12-09
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Originally Posted by lma
Since we're trying out a 770 port of Mer too, could some of you 770 users send me the collected works of patches for cx3110x for 770? It might come in handy. ( carsten.munk at gmail.com )
This is completely wrong of course. Go read bug 677/2006 where a long-standing (since Mistral at least) critical (crashing the entire machine and corrupting data) bug was fixed practically as soon as the sources became available and made thousands of 770s usable again even after Nokia had officially abandoned them
Thanks to everyone involved BTW!
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2008-12-09
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@ France
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Originally Posted by gene.cash
Héhé ... but i ve move to diablo ... specially for the pygtk with a more recent gtk version
Man, as long as it runs Python & pyGTK, has a nice high-resolution screen, couple-days battery life and fits in my pocket, I don't care if it runs by magical fairies.
I'm keepin' my N800 running Bora, TYVM. I don't see an advantage to any of this other fancy stuff to justify buying a new device, especially if it costs me in battery life.
I'm still shocked my touchscreen still works and has never need recalibration. Palm sure as hell never could manage that one.
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