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2009-08-12 , 03:08
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#71
Originally Posted by lma View Post
Busybox ash sucks as an interactive shell. With the extra rootfs legroom in Fremantle having bash preinstalled and used as root's and user's login shell by default (while keeping ash as /bin/sh) would make "power" users happy without sacrificing performance or delaying startup.
This, however, increases platform complexity, adds packages to support and increases testing time. It'd be much simpler for some fine community member (yourself, perhaps) to put together a small package and upload it to Extras. Then Nokia isn't saddled with lots of extras support costs, and you can get exactly what you want.

That's the nice thing about this platform, if you've got an itch then scratch it!
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#72
Originally Posted by nwerneck View Post
What is this strange and bad looking font that is being used in Fremantle anyway? Where is the marvelous Nokia font? I am a big fan of the Nokia font, I love it that many applications use it in Maemo... The xterm, for example, uses it in the toolbox. What is this skinny thing they are trying to make us swallow??
That's just a screenshot from the SDK. The SDKs have never included the Nokia font used on the device.[1]

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=306774&postcount=1 shows a screenshot of Fremantle running on a real device, displaying the Nokia font, in the title bar, which we've all come to love.

[1] A default install of the Fremantle SDK does not include it, like its predecessors, but, this time, with the Fremantle SDK, it can be installed after adding the nokia-binaries repository: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=75
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2009-08-12 , 07:27
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#73
Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
Well, it's not as bad as we feared and could have had far less physical buttons in going for that new, modern sleek design look. We sort of guessed it was going to be a phone and that they were going to take away the dpad. But we still have directional keys, the zoom keys, and some others - lock key(?), fullscreen key(?), menu key(?). Not a bad result when compared with expectations a few months ago.

What is a dedicated tab button, pipe, etc? Is there another device which has that?
I don't see how they could have had any much fewer physical keys. I have yet to see a phone with keyboard that doesn't have some sort of directional keys. The zoom buttons aren't on the keyboard and that balances that most every phone has the same key and uses it for a volume key. The fullscreen key balances the standard camera shutter button, and menu keys are as essential for the Maemo platform as a Windows key for the Windows platform.

One of the problems with this keyboard is that there's no obvious way to use common european characters without removing common punctuation or other much-used characters from the Sym charset. Another is that it's less useable for typical linux terminal tasks, like " | more " or " | grep " - and this community is much about linux terminal tasks.

Of course, we can always use a bluetooth keyboard, but then they could've made a more Diamond2-like device.
 

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What I found funny is that the chr key was grossly underutilized on the N810 (e.g. why menu when you could do chr+e for é as such). We can only guess what kdb input is possible with the N900 - the basics are clear but (hopefully) there are a few tricks up Nokias sleeve, maybe through some funky ctrl-shift-fn combo, or dynamic layouts (wouldn't it bee cool for layouts to change when you switch from terminal to composing mail ? or swap kbdmaps with fn-enter or sorts ?). So, it's nut just in the number of keys, but with less keys you have to be smarter on the usability side. We'll see how that plays out.
 
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#75
Originally Posted by qwerty12 View Post
That's just a screenshot from the SDK. The SDKs have never included the Nokia font used on the device.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=306774&postcount=1 shows a screenshot of Fremantle running on a real device, displaying the Nokia font, in the title bar, which we've all come to love.
It isn't completely true ;-)

The device font is available in Fremantle SDK installing the ui-fonts package: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ly/019981.html
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#76
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
This, however, increases platform complexity, adds packages to support and increases testing time.
That's an entirely different conversation. I'm just saying you can have bash as the default interactive shell without impacting system performance or boot time.

But since you brought it up, it's not like ash-as-interactive-shell comes without its own support problems.

It'd be much simpler for some fine community member (yourself, perhaps) to put together a small package and upload it to Extras.
FYI, that's a solved problem: bash packages are already available both in Extras and in the SDK repository, and the Extras one comes with a simple tool (bash-setup) to change your default interactive shell.
 
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fwiw this is how x-term looks today in full screen splendour. If you want to keep this discussion, feel free opening a new thread since this topic has deviated a lot from the original post. Thanks!
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2009-08-12 , 11:17
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Hmm, Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5

I suppose that implies there was an illegal version somewhere?
 
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The legal-1osso* busybox version suffix has been there since chinook at least, no idea why.
 
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The major Italian financial newsper sports an article on the Rover:
http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/SoleO...lesView=Libero

Suits are now informed
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