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2010-05-06
, 11:16
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#72
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Letīs go offtopic.
Have you bought couple of tons of sugar already 
If you compare Finland's statistics to other European countries you will see that our economy is on quite solid base. We can take loan for couple of years (actually itīs good thing to do) but after that we have to look that it slows down. Making this country profitable and interesting for mining, chemical, forest, technology industry etc. is key to success. One part of this is of course cheap electricity
Look this
http://yfrog.com/49velkap
We can easily go to 50-60% of our GDP and actually I think we should. Quite many statistic only show from year 2000 on but left most interesting part away and thatīs the 90's when Finland went almost to bankrupt. Yes itīs wise to already think about how to start paying it and how to stop taking it, but there is too much dooming around. Yes we will need little "Jumalauta, vittu saatana" mentality but there is no reason to get too worried and throw hands in the air.
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http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk...ous.html#velka
Last edited by slender; 2010-05-06 at 11:19.
Originally Posted by ossipena
Oh. Dear. Are you one of those Doom & Gloom apologists that daily troll in Murobbs and Ap-areena about how everything is going down
But Finland is already doomed by other aspects too so it doesn't feel so bad
Have you bought couple of tons of sugar already If you compare Finland's statistics to other European countries you will see that our economy is on quite solid base. We can take loan for couple of years (actually itīs good thing to do) but after that we have to look that it slows down. Making this country profitable and interesting for mining, chemical, forest, technology industry etc. is key to success. One part of this is of course cheap electricity
Look this
http://yfrog.com/49velkap
We can easily go to 50-60% of our GDP and actually I think we should. Quite many statistic only show from year 2000 on but left most interesting part away and thatīs the 90's when Finland went almost to bankrupt. Yes itīs wise to already think about how to start paying it and how to stop taking it, but there is too much dooming around. Yes we will need little "Jumalauta, vittu saatana" mentality but there is no reason to get too worried and throw hands in the air.
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http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk...ous.html#velka
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2010-05-06
, 11:20
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@ Cyprus
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#73
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Originally Posted by overlord
Yeah, I agree on most of the points BUT Greeks must also change couple of bad habits:
Greece was just the first one to get hit... Has anyone seen the current status in Spain and Portugal...? Not much of a difference there... And since I've read some really annoying comments here let me, as a Greek, speak out to clear some things...
1. Yes, since 1974 all Greek politicians' priority is to steal money...
2. Greece's banking system remains excellent no matter how hard it's been hit...
3. YES, Greece is in huge need of warfare equipment... You wouldn't never understand of course... But the minute Greece stops purchasing tanks, weapons, fighters etc etc there's a huge chance we'll get invaded... And there are three candidates to do so... We can cope at ease with two of them... But not that easily with the greatest of them... And that is not only Greece's problem... Have you ever wondered why none of you wants Turkey in the EU...?
4. Everyone goes on pension after 35 years of hard-working and mostly low-paid days...
5. We are 10million Greeks... 150.000 people does not constitute a majority... MOST Greeks have accepted ther fate even though they are not responsible for what has happened in Greece for the past years...
6. Over the past years a huge amount of illegal migration has been going on... We have over 1,5 million people coming from Albania, Pakistan etc etc... One of the major reasons why our economy has crippled...
7. And you my dear Germans... Who feel sorry for Greece but say it's not your fault... Does any single one of you know of the loan you charged Greece with when you conquered us 65 years ago...? Are you aware of the total gold bars that once rested in Greece and during 1944 they all 'migrated' to Germany...?
8. Have you seen what the hell is going on in the international market and you think that pushing Greece out of Euro will solve Europe's issues...? Euro as a capital is going to crumble if doing so!
PS: You "ossipena" who so easily said 'fcuk you Greece'... I feel really sorry for you...
1) Don`t spent your salary on Bouzoukia ( for non-Greeks, google it)
2) Cut a lot of jobs that are not nesessary....one funny example was a driver at Olympic airlines that he was so fat that he was unable to drive, so instead of firing him they hired another driver to drive him around and he became the co-driver!ahaha
3) Don`t spend so much time at coffee shops....on average Greeks spent more time driking 'frappe' than working.
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2010-05-06
, 11:26
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@ Greece
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#74
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Originally Posted by sophocha
Haha! Yeah... Unfortunately we have a tendency for such things... And there are a lot more bad habits actually... But they are not the primary reason for Greece's state for the time being...
Yeah, I agree on most of the points BUT Greeks must also change couple of bad habits:
1) Don`t spent your salary on Bouzoukia ( for non-Greeks, google it)
2) Cut a lot of jobs that are not nesessary....one funny example was a driver at Olympic airlines that he was so fat that he was unable to drive, so instead of firing him they hired another driver to drive him around and he became the co-driver!ahaha
3) Don`t spend so much time at coffee shops....on average Greeks spent more time driking 'frappe' than working.
PS: I honestly reckon that this thread should be closed as it's turning to political...
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2010-05-06
, 11:39
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@ Finland
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#75
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Originally Posted by overlord
4. that is no decision for anyone except global markets to make. you greeks tried to circumvent it, what has happened now? money comes from productivity, not 35 years of work...
Greece was just the first one to get hit... Has anyone seen the current status in Spain and Portugal...? Not much of a difference there... And since I've read some really annoying comments here let me, as a Greek, speak out to clear some things...
1. Yes, since 1974 all Greek politicians' priority is to steal money...
2. Greece's banking system remains excellent no matter how hard it's been hit...
3. YES, Greece is in huge need of warfare equipment... You wouldn't never understand of course... But the minute Greece stops purchasing tanks, weapons, fighters etc etc there's a huge chance we'll get invaded... And there are three candidates to do so... We can cope at ease with two of them... But not that easily with the greatest of them... And that is not only Greece's problem... Have you ever wondered why none of you wants Turkey in the EU...?
4. Everyone goes on pension after 35 years of hard-working and mostly low-paid days...
5. We are 10million Greeks... 150.000 people does not constitute a majority... MOST Greeks have accepted ther fate even though they are not responsible for what has happened in Greece for the past years...
6. Over the past years a huge amount of illegal migration has been going on... We have over 1,5 million people coming from Albania, Pakistan etc etc... One of the major reasons why our economy has crippled...
7. And you my dear Germans... Who feel sorry for Greece but say it's not your fault... Does any single one of you know of the loan you charged Greece with when you conquered us 65 years ago...? Are you aware of the total gold bars that once rested in Greece and during 1944 they all 'migrated' to Germany...?
8. Have you seen what the hell is going on in the international market and you think that pushing Greece out of Euro will solve Europe's issues...? Euro as a capital is going to crumble if doing so!
PS: You "ossipena" who so easily said 'fcuk you Greece'... I feel really sorry for you...
6. excuses, excuses. what about Germany and ~10% of population?
7. Finland vs USSR. do I need to say more? (excuses, excuses)
8. may be. or may be not. useless speculation. euros problem now is that there are countries in that might go bankrupt.
ps, don't feel, no need to.
and slender: mainly because I have followed comments from our politicians concerning this greece -issue. if so stupid and naive people don't mess things up, it is a miracle
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2010-05-06
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@ Germany
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#76
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Originally Posted by ossipena
to say it with the honorable words of seargent gunnery hartmann:
yes. Greece and investment banks from USA. now I am missing the link that makes Germany guilty
what the **** is that?
probably, due to my poor english-knowledge, a miss understanding. germany is guilty for borrowing money alrthough either knew or had to know that greek won't be able to pay it back. but we wanted to push the economy of politicians became the whore for getting the money started
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2010-05-06
, 11:47
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@ Finland
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#77
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Originally Posted by overlord
And people of Greece vote these stealers again and again?
1. Yes, since 1974 all Greek politicians' priority is to steal money...
2. Greece's banking system remains excellent no matter how hard it's been hit...
3. YES, Greece is in huge need of warfare equipment... You wouldn't never understand of course... But the minute Greece stops purchasing tanks, weapons, fighters etc etc there's a huge chance we'll get invaded... And there are three candidates to do so... We can cope at ease with two of them... But not that easily with the greatest of them... And that is not only Greece's problem... Have you ever wondered why none of you wants Turkey in the EU...?
Only thing what I have wondered is why some suggest Turkey to EU. Thatīs just crazy.
4. Everyone goes on pension after 35 years of hard-working and mostly low-paid days...
5. We are 10million Greeks... 150.000 people does not constitute a majority... MOST Greeks have accepted ther fate even though they are not responsible for what has happened in Greece for the past years...
6. Over the past years a huge amount of illegal migration has been going on... We have over 1,5 million people coming from Albania, Pakistan etc etc... One of the major reasons why our economy has crippled...
Throwing reason to illegal migration is bit too easy. Itīs of course one problem but I doubt that itīs the major one.
7. And you my dear Germans... Who feel sorry for Greece but say it's not your fault... Does any single one of you know of the loan you charged Greece with when you conquered us 65 years ago...? Are you aware of the total gold bars that once rested in Greece and during 1944 they all 'migrated' to Germany...?
8. Have you seen what the hell is going on in the international market and you think that pushing Greece out of Euro will solve Europe's issues...? Euro as a capital is going to crumble if doing so!
BTW. Quite many finnish people have prejudice (or some might say racist opinions) about people living in mediterranean countries and their way of living and I have to say that recent statistics and news do not dimish these allegations
Last edited by slender; 2010-05-06 at 12:24.
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2010-05-06
, 12:16
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@ Finland
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#78
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Originally Posted by Blaxe
these claims need some sources or I call BS.
to say it with the honorable words of seargent gunnery hartmann:
what the **** is that?
probably, due to my poor english-knowledge, a miss understanding. germany is guilty for borrowing money alrthough either knew or had to know that greek won't be able to pay it back. but we wanted to push the economy of politicians became the whore for getting the money started
as I've said it is easy to say now that you shouldn't lended money to Greece after 2008. Could I have said the same in 2008? nope..
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2010-05-06
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#79
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Originally Posted by overlord
Actually there is a lot of difference. Just look at the debt as % of gdp figures and current deficit.
Greece was just the first one to get hit... Has anyone seen the current status in Spain and Portugal...? Not much of a difference there...
Also those countries are not as corrupt as Greece (which is only surpassed by Romania in the EU).
And if have more trust in their ability to implement cost cutting programs. Going on strike is not a solution.
Cheers
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2010-05-06
, 12:35
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@ Greece
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#80
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Dear Slender and everyone who commented on my post I promise to answer (with official numbers and not heavy speculations) by night... It's 3:30 here and I'm still working... Greece's economical comeback depends on me... :-P
1. Yes, since 1974 all Greek politicians' priority is to steal money...
2. Greece's banking system remains excellent no matter how hard it's been hit...
3. YES, Greece is in huge need of warfare equipment... You wouldn't never understand of course... But the minute Greece stops purchasing tanks, weapons, fighters etc etc there's a huge chance we'll get invaded... And there are three candidates to do so... We can cope at ease with two of them... But not that easily with the greatest of them... And that is not only Greece's problem... Have you ever wondered why none of you wants Turkey in the EU...?
4. Everyone goes on pension after 35 years of hard-working and mostly low-paid days...
5. We are 10million Greeks... 150.000 people does not constitute a majority... MOST Greeks have accepted ther fate even though they are not responsible for what has happened in Greece for the past years...
6. Over the past years a huge amount of illegal migration has been going on... We have over 1,5 million people coming from Albania, Pakistan etc etc... One of the major reasons why our economy has crippled...
7. And you my dear Germans... Who feel sorry for Greece but say it's not your fault... Does any single one of you know of the loan you charged Greece with when you conquered us 65 years ago...? Are you aware of the total gold bars that once rested in Greece and during 1944 they all 'migrated' to Germany...?
8. Have you seen what the hell is going on in the international market and you think that pushing Greece out of Euro will solve Europe's issues...? Euro as a capital is going to crumble if doing so!
PS: You "ossipena" who so easily said 'fcuk you Greece'... I feel really sorry for you...