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2010-10-21 , 19:14
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
I think that what happened here is that MeeGo was supposed to be released this year, according to Ari Jaaksi's standards of polishing (that means shiny, and rough around the edges).

I'm sure that when the Palm guy came as User Experience guru, deemed it not ready yet for the US market, and needing further polish. And Elop agreed, noticed how he mentioned "unpolished gems" at Nokia?

So they are spending this months for further polish. And its easy to see how a decision like it could have motivated Jaaksi's departure.
I understand and also sort of agree to what you said here but couldn't relate that to Ari's departure.

Anyways, I think this move is sort of a mixed bag. But more is on the greener side.

What Nokia needed for symbian was just a super-duper UI and hiring Peter Skillman for the job was a smart move to fix that problem. And I think it is again another smart move to decide not to release unpolished goods. Atleast they realized this somewhat with the N8. Better late than never.

N8 is a great device in my opinion and I am sure it is gonna rock and keep Nokia busy this holiday season (and possibly even seasons beyond). It definitely has the potential to be the next N95 for Nokia. I think they already even officially promised one big major update sometime later this year!

Now looking at the current state of MeeGo, I am not sure if I would expect a solid Nokia-MeeGo experience even by the 3rd quarter of 2011. But again, if Nokia can't pull a MeeGo out as expected (it's not about execution, it's about acceptance), they would have a solid (great UI) Symbian by then.

And if everything works fine as per plan, what would still leave me confused is about the the real difference between Symbian^4 and Nokia-Meego. How different they both would be? Would it be only the UI or would it be some terminal/root access that we are talking here?
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#72
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
The Meego 1.2 will not be released until april 2011 and we probadly should not expect Meego Handset is stable for the masses until then.
Though MeeGo freezes and releases twice a year no matter what, that doesn't necessarily indicate that companies building MeeGo-based products must synchronize their product launches to that cycle. The code is out there, and at any time, companies may pick up, refine, and use the selection of components, and component versions, they feel is suitable.

Indeed, should Nokia wait until April to finalize the full stack of software used on their MeeGo device and begin QA at that point, we could be in for quite a drought.
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2010-10-21 , 19:17
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I don't think that MeeGo based on the moblin-maemo hybrid core will be ready for even Q3 or Q4 2011. The integration started in February, and having it finished in less than a year would seem extremely optimistic.

Just like the N900 was slightly delayed and the N8 was also a number of months late, I think that the same kind of problems arose in the N9 development. This is the reason Nokia wants a software guy as CEO. They want to eliminate the product delays because of software problems that Nokia has had in the past.
The fact that the head of MeeGo devices leaves could also be because of the delay.

Currently Nokia really is a manufacturer of relatively under-powered devices (with the exception of the N900, but that was not intended for the mass market, average consumer). Samsung introduced her first device with an ARM Cortex A8 core in february 2009 (i8910), and Nokia won't have a Cortex device, intended for the mass market, for sale before 2011!
That is 2 years late!

I still think that the N9 will be announced at the MeeGo summit, but it will probably ship in Q1 2011.
Nokia needs a good high-end smartphone/mobile computer. The longer it is delayed the bigger this problem will become.
But I must say that the N8 is a good innovation, with wonderful new features, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one even if the device doesn't have a Cortex processor.
 
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I still think that the N9 will be announced at the MeeGo summit...
The Media Advisory I received from the Linux Founadtion along with my invitation to Meego Conference next month says that there are no product announcements, just a developer and community conference
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2010-10-21 , 19:26
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Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
Samsung introduced her first device with an ARM Cortex A8 core in february 2009 (i8910), and Nokia won't have a Cortex device, intended for the mass market, for sale before 2011!
That is 2 years late!
You are joking right? I don't know when the i8910 was actually made available for purchase but I got my Nokia N900 (ARM Cortex 8 based) in late 2009 itself.

And what exactly is your definition of mass market? How different are the prices of these 2 devices in question?
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Sarcasm aside... I question the wisdom of anyone who impulse-buys this sort of product. And this forum has been swamped by them.
I still think the segment of our society that understands or even care about the things we talk about here is ridiculously small. So imho, Nokia should either be prepared to satisfy the masses or target it more decisively to the niche market that the n900 should've had.

There's no excuse for this oversight really. Nokia understood the importance of making products user friendly and accessible since they were the candybar king. It was one of their strongest differentiating factor.
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I still think the segment of our society that understands or even care about the things we talk about here is ridiculously small. So imho, Nokia should either be prepared to satisfy the masses or target it more decisively to the niche market that the n900 should've had.

There's no excuse for this oversight really. Nokia understood the importance of making products user friendly and accessible since they were the candybar king. It was one of their strongest differentiating factor.
I'm not arguing against that. Forget the dirty details we dwell on here. I'm saying if one intends to drop several hundred dollars on any product, they would be extremely remiss IMO in not checking it out first-- REGARDLESS of what the manufacturer has or has not done.

Sorry, impulse buying of expensive cell phones is nuts.
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
(It would still mean they don't have anything but the N8 for the holiday season.)
What an improvement over last Christmas! Nokia had the N97 which many people love to hate and the N900 which was not and is not for the mass consumer market. With new colors being launched up through Novemer there should still be a buzz for the N8 come present shopping days.
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