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2010-10-27
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by techngro
So let me get this straight -- I have the right to walk into your house and say whatever I want? What's your address?
Um...who the hell taught you about human rights?
Freedom of speech is a right that is inherent to us as human beings. It isn't granted by nations, politicians, armies, friends, or anyone else. If some state/government infringes on my human rights, you can't say "Well, that's your fault for going there". By your logic, if somehow every nation in the world decided that their people no longer deserved the right to speak freely, then no one could do anything about it, because it's the governments choice to make.
Of course i'm talking about "real" rights (life, speech, labor, contract). Not the "right" to the internet or television or other such things, which are just silly fabrications.
If I misinterpreted what you said, I apologize. But from what I read you are just dead wrong.
EDIT: And to be honest, I am really disappointed that absolutely no one challenged this at all in 4 pages of posts.
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by shazosbourne
It's providing entertainment.
So much for the new posting rules at TMO.
How is this thread benefiting the community?
Really, I knew what this thread was going to degenerate into from the moment I read the first post, even the title gives a clue, and if I didn't want to read it I wouldn't come back to read the replies. I suggest that anyone who gets bothered by this type of thread should ignore them, they certainly shouldn't reply in the thread to complain about it, that just makes the problem worse.
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2010-10-27
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you do know that you can get android via nitdroid right ? you do know that nitdroid works great on the n900 with all the apps working, and flash 10.1, .. right ? you do know that meego with the dual-boot option should show up in the devels in the next few days as an app that will allow dual-boot... right ? you do know that our n900 touch screen is actually as good as the capacitive screen on the htc desire... right ? but ours is more presice, and we can use it outside in the sun !!! "epicface" , please stop these unmeanless good-bye threads, they make the n900 look bad,its the best device in the market for me, and for every n900 user .
the n900 is the bomb, "superhappysmilyface"
the n900 is the bomb, "superhappysmilyface"
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by techngro
Interesting. Inherent to us being humans? Care to share a bit of how it looks when a baby gets born, carrying a small bag with "inherent rights" and waving the free speach one?
Um...who the hell taught you about human rights?
Freedom of speech is a right that is inherent to us as human beings.
It isn't granted by nations, politicians, armies, friends, or anyone else.
If some state/government infringes on my human rights, you can't say "Well, that's your fault for going there".
By your logic, if somehow every nation in the world decided that their people no longer deserved the right to speak freely, then no one could do anything about it, because it's the governments choice to make.
Of course i'm talking about "real" rights (life, speech, labor, contract). Not the "right" to the internet or television or other such things, which are just silly fabrications.
EDIT: And to be honest, I am really disappointed that absolutely no one challenged this at all in 4 pages of posts.
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by anthonie
Rights and freedoms are inherent to all thinking creatures, not only humans.
Interesting. Inherent to us being humans? Care to share a bit of how it looks when a baby gets born, carrying a small bag with "inherent rights" and waving the free speach one?
However, it's controversial topic.
"Natural and legal rights are two types of rights theoretically distinct according to philosophers and political scientists.
Natural rights, also called inalienable rights, are considered to be self-evident and universal. They are not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government.
Legal rights, also called statutory rights, are bestowed by a particular government to the governed people and are relative to specific cultures and governments. They are enumerated or codified into legal statutes by a legislative body."
Originally Posted by anthonie
_Every_ nation in the world decided... There would be no "other nations".
Originally Posted by techngroOther nations could go to war with that one. No one told you that?By your logic, if somehow every nation in the world decided that their people no longer deserved the right to speak freely, then no one could do anything about it, because it's the governments choice to make.
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2010-10-27
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wow, can everybody calm down, i just wanted to see your reactions hahaha im in love with my n900, i wanted to see how many people like the n900's and well everybody. sorry guys to made all of you so pissed (blushing 
) i wished it was april fools. take it easy peps.
) i wished it was april fools. take it easy peps.
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by techngro
Freedom of Speech is not a human right. To take it even further. There is no such thing as native human rights either. It is not something that is guaranteed to you via birth. It is determined by a group of nations which at any point can disband (the UN).
Um...who the hell taught you about human rights?
Freedom of speech is a right that is inherent to us as human beings. It isn't granted by nations, politicians, armies, friends, or anyone else. If some state/government infringes on my human rights, you can't say "Well, that's your fault for going there". By your logic, if somehow every nation in the world decided that their people no longer deserved the right to speak freely, then no one could do anything about it, because it's the governments choice to make.
Of course i'm talking about "real" rights (life, speech, labor, contract). Not the "right" to the internet or television or other such things, which are just silly fabrications.
If I misinterpreted what you said, I apologize. But from what I read you are just dead wrong.
EDIT: And to be honest, I am really disappointed that absolutely no one challenged this at all in 4 pages of posts.
And yes you technically have the ability to say whatever you want as long as someone helped you develop speech. Technically I can take a megaphone and yell obscenities up and down the street. Doesn't mean I won't be arrested or fined. Or in the case of an Internet forum, banned. Therefore such freedoms do not exist, just because I have the capability doesn't mean it's freedom. Therefore back to my original post.
- Freedom of speech is determined by your nation.
- Freedom of speech does not exist on the Internet.
- Freedom of speech does not exist on a private internet forum.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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It may seem to you that it's something universal, but it's not. Human rights weren't there before the age of enlightenment, an the only reason why we see them accepted wordwide today is the centuries of western domination. Countries signed international treaties that defined what human rights are and how to guarantee them in their own constitutions. That wouldn't have been necessary if each of us enjoyed human rights "just like that", only because we're - well, human.
Sorry for OT, but having studied law, that was just too much for me. Have to cool down. Need ice tea.