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2008-07-22 , 00:48
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#831
Originally Posted by Wes Doobner View Post
We also buy them as leisure devices, not productivity tools. Why is everyone so fixated on making these things into micro versions of laptop?
My N800 is a micro version of a laptop, already.
I'm sure that if battery power in a boardroom is an issue, tech guy easily locate an outlet to plug into... as far as putting my presentations in my pocket... hasn't really been a concern now in 20 years in the business world. I doubt that pocketable presentations is really "make or break" in the boardroom.
The plugin is one more reason not to do the laptop; you can't just bring a laptop, you gotta bring a charger, and make sure your chair's in reach of a plug, etc.

Still, I'm sure nobody's going to buy them on that justification, but I would do that with the tablet I bought for leisure/light work reasons. (I've done nearly that, although in a classroom, not a boardroom... doodled some equations in xournal and showed them using the document camera and projector, not having VGA output at that time.)

Would make a cool commercial, though... but much like commercials with scenes of BMW's whipping through curvy canyons - not much in common with the real world.
Indeed.

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Like maybe when you give presentations in the boardroom? LOL
Man, I set myself up for that... But I hope you get my point: I'm an insufferable gadget geek, and if I can do weird stuff with my pocket laptop, I will!
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2008-07-22 , 00:53
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Originally Posted by Benson View Post
My N800 is a micro version of a laptop, already.
It is not, and comments like this are what lead to so many "frustration" post by newbies here. These are NOT mini laptops, they just aren't, and were never designed to be. They are certainly capable machines but they have serious limitations when comparing them to laptops.


The plugin is one more reason not to do the laptop; you can't just bring a laptop, you gotta bring a charger, and make sure your chair's in reach of a plug, etc.
So, better battery technology is the issue? Seriously, I've never been in a meeting room in the last 5 years or so that everyone wasn't plugged in with their laptops. I think this battery thing is a non issue in the context we are discussing. Long battery life is great when you are out and about, not so much an issue when you are in the office environment.
 
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Originally Posted by Wes Doobner View Post
It is not, and comments like this are what lead to so many "frustration" post by newbies here. These are NOT mini laptops, they just aren't, and were never designed to be. They are certainly capable machines but they have serious limitations when comparing them to laptops.
It's a general purpose computer. It runs arbitrary apps. It has a near laptop-resolution screen. It even (sometimes) runs a full desktop OS (Debian). They arguably aren't intended as laptops, but with a little hacking, they most definitely are laptops. For tech users that can do the hacking, of course, not for everyone who picks one up.

So, better battery technology is the issue? Seriously, I've never been in a meeting room in the last 5 years or so that everyone wasn't plugged in with their laptops. I think this battery thing is a non issue in the context we are discussing. Long battery life is great when you are out and about, not so much an issue when you are in the office environment.
Not better batteries, less power-hungry CPUs for doing tiny little tasks like pushing images out a video port. In powersaver profile, and doing only light web browsing, I can't make 3 hours, and I've got the extended battery. It's quite possible to exhaust it in a 2-hour meeting, while the N800 (and presumably N900) you just can't drain it that hard. So, yes, all the laptops are plugged in, but if your N900 (that you're carrying anyway) will do everything you need to do, that's one more hassle of life you can skip right on past.


Still, I think we're not likely to convince each other, so do feel free to reply to anything in this that's worthy of comment, but I'll likely be letting it go after that.
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2008-07-22 , 05:05
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#834
Originally Posted by Wes Doobner View Post
It is not, and comments like this are what lead to so many "frustration" post by newbies here. These are NOT mini laptops, they just aren't, and were never designed to be. They are certainly capable machines but they have serious limitations when comparing them to laptops.
Well, for me it's a laptop. They may have certain disadvantages compared to laptops, but they also have many advantages. Including things like pocketability. I guess it boils down more to what it's able to do rather than how quickly it does it. I don't have any trouble doing pretty much all of the things I'd do with a laptop, they're just not done as quickly as with a proper laptop.

I pretty much do all the same things on my tablet that I do on my desktop. It's definitely alleviated any desire I might have ever had for a laptop
 
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I'd just say more options in the power-key menu; you can use the d-pad to select those pretty covertly and quickly. Different power-key semantics could also apply (we already can enable semi-broken softpoweroff by double-press/long-press, so it could be adapted for that), but I like the menu better.
You mean like Nokia already does with their Symbian phones?
 
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2008-07-22 , 13:39
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Well, for me it's a laptop. They may have certain disadvantages compared to laptops, but they also have many advantages. Including things like pocketability. I guess it boils down more to what it's able to do rather than how quickly it does it. I don't have any trouble doing pretty much all of the things I'd do with a laptop, they're just not done as quickly as with a proper laptop.

I pretty much do all the same things on my tablet that I do on my desktop. It's definitely alleviated any desire I might have ever had for a laptop
I'm not going to argue beyond this point, but... the fact that an internet tablet does everything YOU need a laptop to do, doesn't make them 'laptops'. The reality of the situation is that they can't perform most of what business people actually use laptops for. To argue otherwise is ... just silly.
 
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2008-07-24 , 14:21
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sorted by prefference:

1st - HARDWARE VIDEO AND AUDIO CODECS SUPPORT!!! This device CAN run DVDs even with full sized XviD/DivXs... And it MUST.
2nd - VIDEO INPUT AND OUTPUT!!!!!
3d - LARGE battery - at least twice larger but better with 4..5 Ah
4th - working driver for WinNT to easily set up PAN over BT or LAN over USB - without any more clicks just Plug-&-Play
5th - two full size SD card instead of one mini-SD - but with same size of the entire device as N810 has
6th - rotation weel at left to easily scroll texts
7th - give us radio back!
8th - joystick near the screen, but not on keyboard - then keyboard can be larger and more useful
9th - more durable case (look at iAudio COWON A2, A3 - if you will drop it it will just jump, but if you will drop N810 it will be the end...)
10th - second camera at back - to allow video shots and Net sharing
11th - 3D acceleration and Compiz/Beryl-like interface using it
 
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That's a nice wishlist, but "realistically" is in the thread title.

I can see no way to sustain the N810's form factor while cramming all that extra stuff in.

Regarding durability, though... Is the N810 really that bad? I've dropped my N800 at least 3 feet onto concrete while walking, and it's just fine. I'd thought the N810 was of similar durability...
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2008-07-24 , 15:57
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Just my 2 cents comments ...

This device CAN run DVDs even with full sized XviD/DivXs... And it MUST.
It already do it ...

11th - 3D acceleration and Compiz/Beryl-like interface using it
lol

4th - working driver for WinNT to easily set up PAN over BT or LAN over USB
6th - rotation weel at left to easily scroll texts
Useless, dpad is more usefull ... this stupid rotation weel never work past 2 month of usage ...

7th - give us radio back!
Useless too ...

9th - more durable case
lol. ... so a larger size ... or a lesser sized screen ... this is suffisant ... mine is already down severall time without any dammages.

10th - second camera at back - to allow video shots and Net sharing
This is not a cam recorder ...

8th - joystick near the screen, but not on keyboard - then keyboard can be larger and more useful
The joystick is great here ... the only things to add to keyboard is tab ...
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#840
My only fear in all of this is that the N900 is gonna be way too pricey to grab market share. I'm SO glad I got my N800 before they became rare, because there's no way I'd be shelling out $500+ for the next IT. Now that the N810 is showing up at $299, it's at the point where I might have considered it. But if the next IT is priced where I think it will be, it won't even be something I envy.

Bottom line: What do I realistically want in the next IT? A realistic price.
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