Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Selling at a loss or even a razor thin gross margin does not benefit a manufacturer.

Remember the 'ecosystem' means nothing to NOKIA now, Elop gifted all that to Microsoft. NOKIA need to make healthy margins on hardware sales, either that or they need to give up manufacturing altogether and just become a design house.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

They are selling at lower prices to penetrate the market. Nothing wrong there

Originally Posted by specc

it's not only about what and how you are selling, it's also about what the competitors loose because of your actions. Every Lumia sold is one less iPhone/android sold and one person less in the apple/android ecosystem and one more in WP. When every android phone manufacturer except Samsung is loosing money, this means a whole lot. Again, the big picture is what counts.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

NOKIA does not exist to sell hardware at a loss in order to make Microsoft's 'ecosystem' more viable.

Originally Posted by shinogami

Are you so sure it's Nokia that is selling it at a loss? Like, no money has exchanged hands between Nokia and this Phones4U retailer?

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

NOKIA does not exist to sell hardware at a loss in order to make Microsoft's 'ecosystem' more viable.

Originally Posted by specc

Only Samsung makes money on Android phones. The rest exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable.

Originally Posted by specc

99% of app developers exist only to make the Android ecosystem viable, they make no money there.

Originally Posted by specc

Nokia needs WP to grow to be able to sell devices. MS needs Nokia to sell devices to be able to grow. How hard is that to understand? they are dependent on each other.

Originally Posted by specc

The most important thing is to get devices out there. They have done a poor job so far with overpriced mediocre devices (super user functionality, the best, but overpriced).

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

How does a company survive if it doesn't make a profit? To suggest a company 'exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable' is laughable nonsense.

To developers of free apps the user is not the customer but the commodity.

NOKIA are only dependent on Microsoft because their Trojan horse CEO made it so. If they had remained independent they wouldn't be in such a desperate situation now. It was partnering with Microsoft that put them into the death spiral.

Samsung used much the same hardware for their WP7 devices as they did for their Android devices. It's clear what the problem is even if you don't want to admit it.

Getting 'devices out there' wont benefit NOKIA in any way unless they make a profit on them.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

They are having a fire sale because WP7 is so undesirable and has sold in such minimal quantities that they are now stuck with inventory that is worth less than it cost them to build. It has nothing to do with penetrating the market, it's about trying to turn redundant stock back into cash even if they have to take a hit doing it.

Of course this was an entirely predictable scenario, no manufacturer has made a successful WP7 device. Not even Samsung could do it.

I hope for NOKIA's sake WP8 is considerably better than it's predecessor, NOKIA can't continue to struggle along with an incompetent software partner like this.

I still have yet to see any WPx device in the wild!