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2012-11-30 , 07:35
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#851
Originally Posted by specc View Post
it's not only about what and how you are selling, it's also about what the competitors loose because of your actions. Every Lumia sold is one less iPhone/android sold and one person less in the apple/android ecosystem and one more in WP. When every android phone manufacturer except Samsung is loosing money, this means a whole lot. Again, the big picture is what counts.
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Typos are one thing but I can't be the only one that notices that you begin to lose your meaning when your spelling is so consistently loose.

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2012-11-30 , 09:38
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
I know your solution: Go back to Symbian!
Or, switch to Android? Here's a job advert posted by Nokia yesterday.

http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob...=jobs_share_fb

Principal Software Engineer, Embedded Linux Middleware

Nokia - Sunnyvale (San Francisco Bay Area)

We are looking for an expert C/C++ & JAVA engineers to develop embedded linux device software and hardware drivers for our exciting new products. The candidate must have knowledge and experience working with mobile phone technology. Strong knowledge of embedded linux drivers and resource optimizations such as scheduler/governor is a must. Experience with network stack, RF driver, display driver, and imaging pipeline are also essential.
There's no indication that it's specifically Android ofcourse. But whatever these exciting new products are, if they require software and hardware drivers for embedded Linux, it's something other than Windows.
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2012-11-30 , 10:22
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Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Or, switch to Android?

http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob...=jobs_share_fb

There's no indication that it's specifically Android of course. But whatever these exciting new products are, if they require software and hardware drivers for embedded Linux, it's something other than Windows.
Interesting.

I don't think there's any way back for Symbian now anyhow, NOKIA have axed too much in-house expertise. It's going to be much easier to find developers proficient in Linux.
 
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2012-12-01 , 13:36
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
How does a company survive if it doesn't make a profit? To suggest a company 'exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable' is laughable nonsense.
Laughable yes, nonsense ? far from it. No company want to be in that situation, but that is how the Android ecosystem works. You either have a top selling phone, or you are just there hanging on struggling to survive. Even Huawei and ZTE are struggling competing with each other. That's how any economy works once price becomes the driving factor. In 2013 Samsung will implode and Huawei and/or ZTE will take the throne (regarding top selling android smartphone). After that nobody will care anymore, then an android smartphone is just like any other commodity, a dishwasher, a lamp or whatever, a PC?

The same could happen to the WP ecosystem, but not in several years from now and only if WP becomes the dominant ecosystem, and that does not seem very likely. Right now they are too small and overpriced devices does NOT help one single bit. WP phones does not offer a perceived value that is better than Android. That is changing, but if Nokia/MS is not willing to pay the price of that change, they surely will die.
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2012-12-01 , 16:46
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#855
Originally Posted by specc View Post
Laughable yes, nonsense ? far from it.
It's complete nonsense, tosh, bunkum, poppycock, gibberish, ...


Originally Posted by specc View Post
No company want to be in that situation, but that is how the Android ecosystem works. You either have a top selling phone, or you are just there hanging on struggling to survive. Even Huawei and ZTE are struggling competing with each other. That's how any economy works once price becomes the driving factor. In 2013 Samsung will implode and Huawei and/or ZTE will take the throne (regarding top selling android smartphone).
Saying a company is struggling to compete is a completely different thing to saying a company 'exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable'. The latter is nonsense.

Samsung could compete with ZTE and Huawei on price right now should they choose to but it wouldn't make sense because their brand has higher prestige. If ZTE and Huawei manage to establish a similar reputation to Samsung you can expect them to increase their margins. They'd much rather be in Samsung's position than vice versa.

There's also a very good reason Samsung is doing better than Sony, LG, HTC, Motorola, etc... just look at the devices. It's not Android and it's not the price that's the stand-out difference is it? Right now in every price segment from top to bottom Samsung are making the best devices, not the cheapest but the best. The top end Galaxy is so nice even Apple have redesigned the iPhone to be more like it.

Hopefully the calibre of Samsung's devices will inspire the other manufacturers to raise their game and we'll see an even greater range of desirable smartphones.


Originally Posted by specc View Post
Right now they are too small and overpriced devices does NOT help one single bit. WP phones does not offer a perceived value that is better than Android. That is changing, but if Nokia/MS is not willing to pay the price of that change, they surely will die.
NOKIA are too small? How on earth did that happen to the once biggest smartphone manufacturer on the planet by a huge margin? Oh yes, they opted for a failed OS with a non-existent 'ecosystem'. Now you'd have them sell their hardware at a loss in a desperate attempt to make that 'ecosystem' viable.

Let me remind you that at the time Elop pulled the plug on Symbian/MeeGo Ovi was bigger than the Android Marketplace.
 
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2012-12-01 , 17:34
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Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Or, switch to Android? Here's a job advert posted by Nokia yesterday.

http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob...=jobs_share_fb



There's no indication that it's specifically Android ofcourse. But whatever these exciting new products are, if they require software and hardware drivers for embedded Linux, it's something other than Windows.
ROTFL ONE job about Linux and people here start to think nokia is going Android? Get real!
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
ROTFL ONE job about Linux and people here start to think nokia is going Android? Get real!
It's more than Nokia had yesterday.
 
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#858
And it might not be on job. Let's say they want 200 employees with the same off get real. Will see if you comments here push the stock value on Monday.
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Symbian apologists in full force. It's like Romney supporters still crying about what if. It's time to move on. Symbian is dead. And nothing wrong with it. Died of old age and got overtaken buy younger more nimble OSs.
 
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2012-12-01 , 21:06
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
Symbian apologists in full force. It's like Romney supporters still crying about what if. It's time to move on. Symbian is dead. And nothing wrong with it.
Microsoft apologists in full force. WP7 is dead. There was plenty wrong with it. It was designed with squares by squares for squares. WP8 isn't looking much better. It's time NOKIA moved on.


Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
Died of old age and got overtaken buy younger more nimble OSs.
By far the most successful smartphone OS on the planet now is Android. It's not renowned for being nimble and it uses the Linux kernel which predates EPOC32 by 6 years.
 
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