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#861
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Any desktop, whether its Windows, or Mac OS or Red Hat Linux
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2011-06-24
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Originally Posted by kanishou
With flash you can develop a whole application. Its programming tool follows a complete Object oriented approach, you can develop almost any thing from games to application that run on web, which cannot be achieved with html5
No Flash. If you see anything that looks like Flash, then it's HTML5. I believe that some (most?) ads are intelligent enough to show an HTML version if Flash is not available, and have seen it at least once.
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2011-06-24
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Originally Posted by Rugoz
No, he isn't. The fact that harmattan remains trapped on the aging Omap3 SoC should tell us plenty about the truth behind elops discovery that meego was moving fast enough.
A few more raves of major sites and elop is gonna feel the boot.
Nokia has made its choice, it will use WP7 to try and become the third big ecocsystem and a positive reaction to the [single] N9 handset won't change that.
What it might change is the frequency/possibility of future Meego handsets as part of a niche platform, and there is no reason why they can't or shouldn't do this if Samsung can support; Android, Bada, WP7, and Symbian at the same time.
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2011-06-24
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Originally Posted by maverick788us
ye and its NOT stable in Linux thats for sure. firefox crash often just because of flashplugin.
Any desktop, whether its Windows, or Mac OS or Red Hat Linux
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2011-06-24
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No, he isn't. The fact that harmattan remains trapped on the aging Omap3 SoC should tell us plenty about the truth behind elops discovery that meego was moving fast enough.
I doubt wp7 is more flexible than the linux kernel.
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2011-06-24
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Originally Posted by kanishou
Well, i talked to the person that made the video and he confirmed the N9 has no flash at the moment. But still, would still like to know how the N9 browser did that. I tried the same site on a browser with no flash and that ad space is just white empty - no html5. (opera on n900)
No Flash. If you see anything that looks like Flash, then it's HTML5. I believe that some (most?) ads are intelligent enough to show an HTML version if Flash is not available, and have seen it at least once.
And in case i misunderstood what you said, i can tell the difference between flash and html5 (press right menu button? but besides that). That ad space in all browsers i run shows flash ads or empty white space if the browser doesnt have flash.
ah, theres still hope for flash support later. :-)
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2011-06-24
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Originally Posted by Rugoz
the fact remains that these various ARM SoC's are not generic, they have different capabilities that need to be addressed, particularly mobile settings where the demands of power conservation and multimedia pull in opposite directions.
Of course not, but nokia may have second thoughts about dumping meego completely as a smartphone os. But don't come with that "meego supports only 3 platforms till 2014" ********. 3 platforms in 3 years is actually more than enough. From a technical point of view there is nothing wrong with meego. Or where are the wp7 dualcore handsets?
I doubt wp7 is more flexible than the linux kernel.
Windows8 is going to have four different ARM SKU's!
it is obviously not a trivial matter, and at least with WP7 microsoft is paying for that platform adaptation.
look, i don't like it either as i am the biggest Meego/QT fan around, but anyone who buys into the notion that the evil elop is a trojan horse for microsoft bent on sabotaging mobile linux is a demonstrable fruitcake who needs to be publicly ridiculed and humiliated lest their nonsense gains greater public credence than it deserves.
the nokia management and executive aim to make nokia the third major ecosystem alongside IOS and Android, for failure to do so will see the company marginalised into either a niche platform provider or just another hardware OEM.
if they thought Meego could provide this, in time, then they would have gone with it. they did not.
rather than give up they hunted around for another platform that could allow them to grow fast enough to become the third great mobile ecosystem. they picked WP7.
none of this means that Meego is useless or pointless, it has excellent potential to hoover up niche users who aren't interested in rebadged WP7 offerings.
it also provides nokia an insurance policy against a future where a platform they don't control (WP7) either can't or won't provide they future upgrades Nokia feels it might need to stay relevant.
if Samsung can see a purpose for Bada, why does no-one see the value in Nokia treating Meego the same way?
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2011-06-24
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Originally Posted by abbra
confirmed by quim too:
That's true, though the swipe is from up to bottom -- the other swipe just puts application into a recents view.
Felipe (now famous for his arguing with Elop) wrote a patch and me and Urho drove it through the management at last. Congratulations to Urho and Felipe on persisting and getting it not only as configuration option but also in Settings UI.
There are so many small details to consider when introducing such "seemingly innoncent" features that it was not so easy to convince people. Still, it shows it what is possible to achieve together in an open collaboration mode.
Yes, there is a setting to activate a swipe down gesture that will close the app directly. You start the swipe from the top of the display, move your finger down till the end (or so) and you see the window following your finger down, disappearing through the bottom of the display and being effectively closed. Very intuitive as well.
it’s these little special things that make an anyway nice UI just AWSOME!
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2011-06-24
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What Jedi said. Been taught well, you have. I don't see what happened as a conspiracy for Microsoft to take over Nokia. That does not mean that I like Elop, or that Elop did not have anything to do with it. But, the way they were going, Nokia would have been erased from the map. They had a good OS in their hand (maemo 5) and were sitting on it, twiddling their thumbs, and shitting over the few adopters, gallantly ignoring it while shitting out "flagship" after "flagship" running Symbian. The problem with Nokia management started long before Elop started his stint.
MeeGo Harmattan will not be the main platform now. It will, however, probably be a viable platform, and that's a net gain. It's not going to be as hack-tastic as maemo 5 and the older OSes, but it WILL be open, and if more than a handfull of people buy Harmattan handsets, maybe Nokia won't forget its existence 5 minutes after the first unit goes out of the assembly line. You can't have your cake, and eat it too. You can't expect Nokia to make an OS catering to a single-digit number of
people, and then expect it to support said OS ad infinitum.
I have some reservations about the N9, but I WILL buy it. Not because it's a Nokia, or because it's the successor of my N900, or because of sentimentality, but because it appears to be a genuinely good phone, with an extremely capable OS that strikes a fine balance between ease of use and openness. We have already started discussing hacking the UI to bring it make it more to our liking! Yes, it may be the last of its kind. If that is true, then I intend to follow it down, playing the world's smallest open source violin as I go.
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MeeGo Harmattan will not be the main platform now. It will, however, probably be a viable platform, and that's a net gain. It's not going to be as hack-tastic as maemo 5 and the older OSes, but it WILL be open, and if more than a handfull of people buy Harmattan handsets, maybe Nokia won't forget its existence 5 minutes after the first unit goes out of the assembly line. You can't have your cake, and eat it too. You can't expect Nokia to make an OS catering to a single-digit number of
people, and then expect it to support said OS ad infinitum.
I have some reservations about the N9, but I WILL buy it. Not because it's a Nokia, or because it's the successor of my N900, or because of sentimentality, but because it appears to be a genuinely good phone, with an extremely capable OS that strikes a fine balance between ease of use and openness. We have already started discussing hacking the UI to bring it make it more to our liking! Yes, it may be the last of its kind. If that is true, then I intend to follow it down, playing the world's smallest open source violin as I go.
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
Requires chrome or Flash... I don't doubt that HTML5 is capable of creating games, but Flash is like a console platform: It works the same everywhere and you can distribute your game as a single protected file.
Presumably you've seen http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ - the most impressive HTML5 demo I've seen.
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