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2017-08-27
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Hi,
If they sell 10,000 licenses for a year (which I think would be a remarkable success) that would be 500,000 euros. If you're trying to pay 10 engineers (e.g. for security updates, hardware adaptations and a newer version of Android) that's not a lot of money for salaries plus taxes etc... plus development hardware plus tablet refunds.
50euros seems cheap and I hope they do well enough to make it sustainable (and refund you your tablet).
Originally Posted by Dave999
If they are going to give you your money back (and by golly I hope they do as I'm bored hearing you talk about it) then they need an income stream.
So first Jolla haven't payed back 99.8% of the tablet backers that payed for OS development rather than secure funds for delivery. Many which also bought their first phone and helped out with alpha and beta of sail. And then Jolla asking for 50 more to test a beta for them, and to top it of user have to pay for a Xperia X.
If they sell 10,000 licenses for a year (which I think would be a remarkable success) that would be 500,000 euros. If you're trying to pay 10 engineers (e.g. for security updates, hardware adaptations and a newer version of Android) that's not a lot of money for salaries plus taxes etc... plus development hardware plus tablet refunds.
50euros seems cheap and I hope they do well enough to make it sustainable (and refund you your tablet).
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2017-08-27
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Originally Posted by jonquark
500.000€ are "nothing" for a company with 50+employees. So that may be sufficient to pay 10 of them, for a year. Anyone knows where the missing 3+ Mio€ come from?
Hi,
If they are going to give you your money back (and by golly I hope they do as I'm bored hearing you talk about it) then they need an income stream.
If they sell 10,000 licenses for a year (which I think would be a remarkable success) that would be 500,000 euros. If you're trying to pay 10 engineers (e.g. for security updates, hardware adaptations and a newer version of Android) that's not a lot of money for salaries plus taxes etc... plus development hardware plus tablet refunds.
50euros seems cheap and I hope they do well enough to make it sustainable (and refund you your tablet).
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2017-08-27
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Originally Posted by gaelic
They've raised money from investors and from companies like Intex who they have created custom phones for... but that will be increasingly difficult to do - they have a vicious cycle of:
500.000€ are "nothing" for a company with 50+employees. So that may be sufficient to pay 10 of them, for a year. Anyone knows where the missing 3+ Mio€ come from?
hard to get a device -> few users -> few apps -> low demand for devices.
Jolla now is a lot smaller than it was when large numbers of employees were getting on stage at Slush. From here to a profitable, stable ecosystem is obvously a big leap but I hope they can sell lots of licenses for the Xperia X. I'll certainly be buying one.
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2017-08-27
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50€ is obviously calculated to vaguely pay the costs of maintaining and improving this device specific port for 12 month.
They do not want to make loss from the community device.
Thats all.
It is a nice gesture concidering they focus business on corporate and governmental solutions. Take it or leave it.
They do not want to make loss from the community device.
Thats all.
It is a nice gesture concidering they focus business on corporate and governmental solutions. Take it or leave it.
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2017-08-28
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@ India
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What happens to people who live in countries not listed? Will we be able to buy the Sailfish image for 50 Euros?
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2017-08-28
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Originally Posted by meet.vino
See post 847 and 848
What happens to people who live in countries not listed? Will we be able to buy the Sailfish image for 50 Euros?
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2017-08-28
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Originally Posted by mosen
Yes, this is also what I think.
50€ is obviously calculated to vaguely pay the costs of maintaining and improving this device specific port for 12 month.
They do not want to make loss from the community device.
Thats all.
It is a nice gesture concidering they focus business on corporate and governmental solutions. Take it or leave it.
In my understanding the "official version for Xperia X" costs 50 euros for the first year, and during that time we are getting especially tailored updated for Xperia X. After the one year subscription "a continuation program follows" which means that normal updates come like in all SFOS devices up to today.
Now, there was also an alternative explanation by an user of TJC who thinks that the "continuation program" means that Xperia X will possibly receive more special updates, and to subscribe to those would cost some xx-euros/year more.
I think that unlikely, but if it happens to be so I don't think that is a bad thing either.
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2017-08-28
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Ok. So its a subscription - One year contract. Then another 50. Its good if they can transfer the funds to refund program. To be able to refund atleast 200 in September . So jolla is free to do what they want.
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2017-08-28
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Nope, that has not been disclosed.
Ok. So its a subscription - One year contract. Then another 50. Its good if they can transfer the funds to refund program. To be able to refund atleast 200 in September . So jolla is free to do what they want.
Only the fact that the first year costs 50 euros.
Whether the next years cost anything or something, that remains to be seen.
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