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I don't think that's a Nokia battery... the image shows it, yes, but the listing text carefully avoids mentioning it. If it were a genuine Nokia battery, you can bet the seller would say so.


Regarding eBook usage, tabletrat: on what basis did you compare the font smoothing?
Equal actual text height, equal pixel text height, equal amount of text / screenful, or something else?

I'm asking because (given that the Nokias do antialiasing at all), I would have expected the extra pixels to trump any algorithm difference. Perhaps also the choice of font was significant.

(I'm unsurprised that the UI was better, of course.)

Also, curious how the lowest attainable backlight settings compare? That's important for ebook work, too, indoors or in the dark.

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Being an open forum, those of us who are tired of the endless threads on the subject are also free to ***** about how irritating they're getting.

This really belongs in Competitors, anyway.
I see your point GeneralA but when I read the original poster's post, I didn't read apple vs. nokia, I read his personal experience with both devices and why he likes the ipod touch better. However, following his post came a bunch of Apple vs. Nokia responses which in the end turned it into a competitors thread.

What do I know anyway? I just wish we could all just appreciate both devices for what they are and leave it at that.

I own both the n800 and iphone and use both regularly. Iphone is my cell with multimedia, calendar, address book, quick web browsing and maps device that's with me all the time.

The n800 is more of a leave my laptop replacement device. I mainly use it for Canola(youtube, podcasts, music collection), skype and rhapsody.

Each has its own merits and each does things the other can't do.

I'll probably still continue to use both on a daily basis.
 
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Originally Posted by Benson View Post

Regarding eBook usage, ... the font ...

(I'm unsurprised that the UI was better, of course.)
I just want to say that the FBReader UI is outstanding. You put it into portrait mode (you don't need Screen Rotation tweaks; it's a setting within FBReader) and you can tap the bottom half of the screen to go to the next page (or the top half for the previous page). You can even adjust within FBR how hard those taps need to be. There are a ton of useful settings.

For the primary font, I like using Sans at 20 in Bold. I find it very easy read, for me with some astigmatism and far-sightedness, while not too big.

I'm critical of some of the failings of the Tablet, but I'd really be surprised if the iTouch UI is better than FBReader's. (I wish other Tablet programs were so well-executed.)
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I have used it enough to know it's good, though I haven't much time to read e-books.

I was referring particularly to tabletrat's oops, ysss's comment (It and tabletrat's had run together in my mind) that the control was smoother because of the capacitive touch screen. While I said UI, I was referring only to that specific UI smoothness. Sorry for any confusion.
 
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Originally Posted by witznitz View Post
Dude did you look at the page? Its a nokia battery not some rip off. I have 2 friends over in UK and APAC and they said to me that battery is one of the most widely used Nokia batts. I bet you live in the US?
Dude, no I live in the UK. How do you know it is a nokia battery? Nokia batteries are hugely ripped off by chinese manufacturers, and it has been a problem for quite some time.

If you buy a nokia battery for $1.50 I can bet you it isn't made by nokia, whatever it says on the label. If you want to cheap out on the battery, it is your choice. I would rather get one from somewhere I can rely on

And no, it isn't the most common. The most common is the BL5C or a BL4C, although my n73 needs a BP6M and wifes E65 needs a BL5F (which incidently is £3 more expensive than the iPod battery at my local shop).

Originally Posted by witznitz View Post
Nokia thought about the consumer here not some special battery that would cost us 70$ to replace.

This is by design and not by luck.
No it isn't. Nokia didn't think about the consumer with the battery. Do you think there were a lot of these batteries before nokia turned up? No, they were their own designs and there are a lot of different designs, to fit the phones. They didn't think of the consumer, they did what the supplier of every portable electronic device does - they get something with the best power they can buy in for the cheapest that fits in the space available. They are cheap now because there are a lot of nokias around, and there are a lot of pirated batteries.

You may like to think there are a lot of evil companies sitting round trying to work out how to make things difficult for people, but they really aren't - they are just all working on compromise of weight/size/power/cost.

Originally Posted by witznitz View Post
You can by a car charger or wall charger at Biglots for 4$ Do that with an IPOD. It will cost you 130$ + A JOKE and Apple does it by design.
I got an iPod charger for my wifes car last week. It cost £4.

If you have a point fine, if you want to just shoot your mouth off because you don't like iPods, fine too, just call it what it is.

I never understood the battery issue. I have had 5 iPods in the house (me and my wife) and never changed (or needed to) the battery. I have had 12 nokias in the house, and I haven't changed the battery on one of those either (and not many of those used the same battery). maybe it is an issue for you - it never has been for me.

The only time a battery was an issue for me was one sony-ericcson that expanded to about 3 times its previous size
 
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Originally Posted by Benson View Post
Regarding eBook usage, tabletrat: on what basis did you compare the font smoothing?
Equal actual text height, equal pixel text height, equal amount of text / screenful, or something else?
Equal text height, but I would point out that I didn't actually do a comparison - I have just used both devices for the same thing (not at the same size with the same document), and found the text 'appeared easier to read at the same size' on the iPod.


Originally Posted by Benson View Post
I'm asking because (given that the Nokias do antialiasing at all), I would have expected the extra pixels to trump any algorithm difference. Perhaps also the choice of font was significant.
could well have been. I didn't select the font, or make any changes. The amount of words on the screen was obviously greater on the nokia.

Originally Posted by Benson View Post
Also, curious how the lowest attainable backlight settings compare? That's important for ebook work, too, indoors or in the dark.
That i really couldn't tell you, as I used neither in low light.
The iPod seems a bit vauge with backlighting sometimes, especially with some of the jailbreak stuff.
 
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Originally Posted by witznitz View Post
The funny thing about these message boards is that we talk about Apple VS Nokia for some dumb reason.

Facts
Apple stole the idea "like always" of the NIT from Nokia.

Onboard keyboard stolen from Nokia N770
Area touch stolen from Nokia N770

Sad but true.
Huh? What did nokia steal from the NIT?
Onboard keyboard? Every electronic device made in the last 15 years had one of those! The newton had one of those in 1992.
 
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Originally Posted by tabletrat View Post
The newton had one of those in 1992.
No, the Newton had the best HWR ever.
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
No, the Newton had the best HWR ever.
It did. But it also had an onscreen keyboard.
 
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Originally Posted by tabletrat View Post

I never understood the battery issue. I have had 5 iPods in the house (me and my wife) and never changed (or needed to) the battery. I have had 12 nokias in the house, and I haven't changed the battery on one of those either (and not many of those used the same battery). maybe it is an issue for you - it never has been for me.

The only time a battery was an issue for me was one sony-ericcson that expanded to about 3 times its previous size
Ipod are world known for dead batteries. Thats why every store in the US sells battery kits. they dont sell Hard drive kits only battery kits.

Here are 2 stores incase you dont know about the bad batts.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1183160884953

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Ultra...oductDetail.do

and these prices have dropped from 60$+ because itouch came out.


Apple like Sony always sells top end stuff and misses out on core things to profit them self. Kind a dumb.

Itouch is real cool untill you run out of room
 
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