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But the ATA gene would be soooo cool (if only you could get to Antarctica).
Agreed! Now some of that magic technology is acceptable, because it isn't built by a guy in his garage; it is built by aliens.
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
The only "magic" I saw was the Chest Piece.
The Iron Man suit also must have "inertial compensators" to protect against impacts.

Realistically ( ), the Iron Man suit should've been filled with a breathable liquid with the density of water. That would provide incredible protection against shocks, impacts, acceleration, etc. And such a liquid is only slightly beyond current tech.
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Originally Posted by tso View Post
as i understood it, computers and other technology could work fine, its just that the magic users didnt take the time to learn as magic was just as flexible, and available. why type search terms into google when you can walk into a library, speak some words and have all the books of interest drop down on your table in a instant?
Because walking to libraries is harder than opening a laptop? OTOH, you wouldn't have to worry about the library flaming you for your (non)use of shift...

I haven't read/watched a single HP book/movie, but I'm not generally a magic fan at all (even in pure fantasy, but especially when mixed with reality, and worst of all with SF), and even the "reasonable" magic deriving from aliens easily annoys me. Far enough in the future tends to work better, imho.
 
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you wouldn't have to worry about the library flaming you for your (non)use of shift...
heh, bad habit, i know...
 
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Originally Posted by tso View Post
as i understood it, computers and other technology could work fine, its just that the magic users didnt take the time to learn as magic was just as flexible, and available. why type search terms into google when you can walk into a library, speak some words and have all the books of interest drop down on your table in a instant?
Magic in the HP world seemed quite clunky, to be honest. They've had hundreds of years to perfect the use of magic, and their magic still feels really, really clunky, like everything was designed by a hacker in his bedroom late one night, and then never improved.
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well i guess one could say that magic is a living force, thats more herded towards a goal then controlled to mathematical precision...
 
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Originally Posted by tso View Post
well i guess one could say that magic is a living force, thats more herded towards a goal then controlled to mathematical precision...
And then one could say, !@#$%^ magic, I'm gonna build an 8-bit computer and a machine pistol in my garage!
 
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I think a really cool story would be more like some of those Japanese tales from the 80s:

First part: a huge fleet of alien ships are detected approaching the earth. It is determined that the earth has 20 years to prepare for the fleet's arrival. We follow a young engineer involved in building a prototype Iron Man suit, and all the adventures as the team slowly perfects the suit.

Second part: The aliens arrive, and their intentions are hostile. We follow a young "pilot" who seems to have an uncanny ability to use the suit. The engineer from the first part befriends him, and acts as his mentor. Together, they become the most effective force in fighting the invaders.

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Originally Posted by ace View Post
...Realistically ( ), the Iron Man suit should've been filled with a breathable liquid with the density of water. That would provide incredible protection against shocks, impacts, acceleration, etc. And such a liquid is only slightly beyond current tech.
Indeed. The wiki confirms just how slight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing (Note that the rat scene in The Abyss was real)

As for the tech and magic levels in Iron Man, it is the Marvel universe after all... (the same one that contains the FF, X-Men, Howard the Duck, etc.)
 
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A significant problem, however, arises from the high viscosity of the liquid and the corresponding reduction in its ability to remove CO2. All uses of liquid breathing for diving must involve total liquid ventilation (see above). Total liquid ventilation, however, has difficulty moving enough liquid to carry away CO2, because no matter how great the total pressure is, the amount of partial CO2 gas pressure available to dissolve CO2 into the breathing liquid can never be much more than the pressure at which CO2 exists in the blood (about 40 mm of mercury (Torr)).

At these pressures, most fluorocarbon liquids require about 70 mL/kg minute-ventilation volumes of liquid (about 5 L/min for a 70 kg adult) to remove enough CO2 for normal resting metabolism. This is a great deal of fluid to move, particularly as liquids are generally more viscous than gases, (for example water is about 56 times the viscosity of air). Any increase in the diver's metabolic activity also increases CO2 production and the breathing rate, which is already at the limits of realistic flow rates in liquid breathing. It seems unlikely that a person would move 10 liters/min of fluorocarbon liquid without assistance from a mechanical ventilator, so "free breathing" may be unlikely.
That would be weird, a pump pushing fluid in and out of your lungs at very high rates (10 litres a minute!?!) ... and no ability to talk ...

EDIT: Hm, just found this at the bottom of the page:

Liquid breathing for acceleration protection may never be practical because of the difficulty of finding a suitable breathing medium of similar density to water that is compatible with lung tissue. Perfluorocarbon fluids are twice as dense as water, hence unsuitable for this application.
As long as we don't have this magical fluid, it remains in Star Trek territory.
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