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2009-04-23 , 17:17
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I use the stylus keyboard heavily, but even with my Nokia-approved stylus, my tablet's screen gets little hazy circles over the stylus keyboard area. When the screen is off, and you tilt the tablet, you can see where all the most-used keys on my keyboard are.
The screen on the n800 and the n810 are night and day. Pun maybe intended. Do you use a screen protector on your n800? A screen protector would be sacrilege on the n810. No hazy circles before, during or after. It is so primo.

So, I agree that the stylus keyboard is suboptimal, even if it is the best thing we've got (on the N800).
I think I know what you mean, but could you be more specific? If you mean suboptimal compared to a HIM version of xvkbd I would agree with you. I'm pretty sure by suboptimal you don't mean that using a stylus is suboptimal. Do you? If so, what's your speculation of optimal?

I'm prepared to be blown away by the exciting new solution that Nokia provides us!
You're prepared to block oil touch the screen?
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2009-04-23 , 17:24
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I mean that using a stylus on my touch-screen as a substitute for a keyboard is sub-optimal. It is the best that I've got on the N800 (I used to use a BT keyboard, but it is such a PITA), but I would like Nokia to give me a better option.

How about a tiny pop-out hardware keyboard that is easy and comfortable to use? If you are using the stylus keyboard on the N810, that means the hardware keyboard is a fail for you. What if Nokia made the hardware keyboard a win, instead of a fail? And what if they made the finger keyboard a win, too? Wouldn't that be the best solution?

Then people who like to keep their fingers off of their screens could use the HWKB, and the fearless finger screen-greasers could use the OSKB.
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2009-04-23 , 17:39
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Great, now not only will my friends think I'm geeky, they'll think I have a twitch. Could be problematic drinking after a long session using the tablet though.

*man gotta stop working so much in between refreshes*
 
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2009-04-23 , 17:41
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And so are we, just like you, when there is a problem (as opposed to idle speculation) that we are directly responsible for
Hey, I think you get my point. Now explain it to GA.

(definitely not device product design or business decisions).
But when you say things like this, it always reminds me of this. Go to 2:32.

As I'm trying to explain in another thread, device product design and business management have little to nothing to share with open source practices. If you want to continue this discussion please use that thread instead.
And when you say things like this, the best I can do is point you to the thread title. Where did I say anything about open source? I don't want to talk about open source. I want to talk about Nokia hardware and the minimum software needed to support such hardware. Please stop telling me what thread I'm suppose to be in.
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
I mean that using a stylus on my touch-screen as a substitute for a keyboard is sub-optimal. It is the best that I've got on the N800 (I used to use a BT keyboard, but it is such a PITA), but I would like Nokia to give me a better option.

How about a tiny pop-out hardware keyboard that is easy and comfortable to use? If you are using the stylus keyboard on the N810, that means the hardware keyboard is a fail for you. What if Nokia made the hardware keyboard a win, instead of a fail? And what if they made the finger keyboard a win, too? Wouldn't that be the best solution?

Then people who like to keep their fingers off of their screens could use the HWKB, and the fearless finger screen-greasers could use the OSKB.
Okay, try to keep your thoughts pure.

No. No. No. No. I've been holding a pencil for over 40 years. I don't need more input device hardware. I type at a keyboard; I tap everywhere else.

The n810 is not a failure for me. I knew exactly what I was getting in to. All the surprises were happy surprises:

screen quality (display, ruggedness, touch sensitivity)
wifi robustness
stylus and stylus holder design
stereo sound imaging

I can ignore a useless piece of hardware addition like a slide-out keyboard. Just like others should be able to ignore a useless screen-bezel d-pad, a useless stylus and stylus holder, and a useless stylus keyboard.
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How about a tiny pop-out hardware keyboard that is easy and comfortable to use?
I want to address this more specifically. When I'm holding a stylus with my thumb, index and middle finger, my tapping movements are nicely distributed from my elbow to the tips of those fingers. But when I'm using my thumb to tap different areas, too much movement is concentrated around the joint that connects my thumb to my hand. This is sub-optimal for me. When I'm using the stylus, my fingers are just creating some tension; their movement is minimal if any. And this has nothing to do with arthritis; I'm fat, dumb and happy typing away at a desktop keyboard.

Did that make sense to you?
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2009-04-23 , 18:56
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First off, wow this thread has a lot less to do with actual speculation and discussion than it does more with general "I miss my stylus keyboard, but it's okay, but I'm still not happy, but maybe". No offense intended to anyone, but let's get back to the good ol' speculation, or go off and start a new thread under the off topic section...
Personally I'd like to see some underlying hooks for some type of mouse or off device input support. Too much talk about text input... what about other kinds of cool possibilities? The accelerometer was brought up, that's pretty snazzy, but I mean since we're talking about Maemo 5 rather than a specific device (we did start off with Maemo 5 didn't we? I could be wrong...), even just an easy way to make some kind of cursor or pointer visible would neat; sure you're not going to use it everyday with the uber finger UI... but when you're using ported applications or sitting down to your "dock" setup, a mouse can be ridiculously helpful.
 

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Personally I'd like to see some underlying hooks for some type of mouse or off device input support.
Fremantle uses Xorg rather than KDrive, so Bluetooth and USB mice should both "just work". Adding other input devices should be considerably easier also.
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Let me give it a try....

My current phone is a LG EnV (verizon). It's about 1/2 - 3/4" shorter than my N800. Flip it open and it has a nice 4 row keyboard (numbers at the top) 4 function buttons down the left, 4 keys +5 way dpad on the left (2 keys above/below dpad). I quite like it. Makes it nice to type texts / move through menus, browse the web (not that I text or browse much). Size/function wise I thought it would be a great fit on a tablet. I always wish I could use it via bluetooth on the N800.

However, I am much slower typing on it than I am typing using the stylus keyboard. I find it too cramped and make too many mistakes to use for very long. I can type just fine on a normal keyboard and most notebook keyboards. My daughters Acer Aspire One (netbook) is a bit to small and cramped to use normally.

I would love to have a HWKB on my tablet, but even if it was exceptional, it probably still wouldn't be my primary input, perhaps close @ 40/60. This of course provided a decent stylus keyboard was available.

In my estimation, the finger keyboard is the worst of the three options. So unless there have been some significant changes (and I hope to be pleasantly surprised) my potential user experience has been degraded.
 

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Now a usable mouse pointer, that would be interesting. I'd love to see that feature added. I have a couple portable mice that would fit that bill nicely. Although a bluetooth mouse would work best, no dongles or cords to loose or get in the way.
 
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