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2009-08-24 , 15:14
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion View Post
That's not a problem of Linux. It's a problem of people not reading what they're buying.
It's a problem FOR Linux.
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Looked at all the images and video now. I have to say I love the industrial design of the thing!! Wow!
 
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2009-08-24 , 15:19
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Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
That's not the point. The whole thing is botched at the start. Why were these people buying linux netbooks over windows in the first place ? Did they just click/pick up on the cheapest option ? Was it the first one on the list ? Did they *want* linux ? Did they want to 'take a shot' at linux ? With all returns mixed into one category, you can't make ANY conclusion with regard to returns due to 'unfamiliarity and unwillingness to learn', just a subjective guesstimate at best.
That is most certainly not the point.

What is the point is how many people does Nokia think will want to buy a Windows booklet versus how many people does Nokia think will want to buy a Linux booklet. I am sure there's some marketing research somewhere. And even in this Linux-centric community here, lovely community btw, there is to some extent possible to get an admission that not quite as many want Linux as you'd like to want Linux.

Now, that issue aside, we can all question if Nokias marketing strategy will be effective or not. The competition is way higher in the Windows segment.
 
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2009-08-24 , 15:21
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Originally Posted by volt View Post
people don't realize they are different to drive until the first week after they buy it
Problem is that I can't see that happening if the salesman wasn't straight out lying to his customers or the customers being really stupid and buy the car anyway after they are being told what it is.
Here in Europe everyone will laugh at you if you put diezel in a benzin car or vice versa. And one have to be really stupid to do that, don't you agree?
 
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2009-08-24 , 15:27
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion View Post
Here in Europe everyone will laugh at you if you put diezel in a benzin car or vice versa. And one have to be really stupid to do that, don't you agree?
Google, notice the quotes:
Results 1 - 10 of about 55,200 for "diesel in a gas motor".
Results 1 - 10 of about 48,300 for "gas in a diesel motor"

People do fill diezel in a benzin car, because they are used to filling diezel and suddenly find themselves with a gas car... This is more relevant to the choice of OS than I thought it would be.
 
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2009-08-24 , 15:30
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As an aside on linux netbook returns: I had to exchange my linux based netbook from HP because their "rescue" images effectively bricked the machine. Seriously, this is due to a *complete* lack of QE, or to be more cynical someone getting paid off.

I bent over backwards to get it working because I like the hardware that much but I don't recommend getting their linux based netbook unless you really know what you're doing.
 
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2009-08-24 , 15:40
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Originally Posted by volt View Post
Google, notice the quotes:
Results 1 - 10 of about 55,200 for "diesel in a gas motor".
Results 1 - 10 of about 48,300 for "gas in a diesel motor"

People do fill diezel in a benzin car, because they are used to filling diezel and suddenly find themselves with a gas car... This is more relevant to the choice of OS than I thought it would be.
Yes they do. They're still laught at for being stupid.
Anyway, no one says "gas" in Europe, so it's still the clueless-automatic-gears-americans

And I don't think it's a problem FOR linux, it's more of a problem education (like reading and comprehension). Can't blame the product because your customers are stupid. You can only explain it the best way you can and hope that they aren't complete idiots. :

edit:
Sarahn, then they really sold you an inferior product and it's normal to return it. But if they had a rescue disc that worked, you can't expect to return it only because it's a different OS.
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Originally Posted by froid View Post
Looked at all the images and video now. I have to say I love the industrial design of the thing!! Wow!
That I absolutely agree with.

While I would prefer a convertible tablet netbook, or even just a 10" tablet, over a conventional netbook ... that aside, that hardware for this thing AMAZING looking.

It's beautiful, it looks solid, and it has HDMI. And who can argue with 12 hours of battery life (if it lives up to that). All of that on a NETBOOK. Hopefully, if nothing else, this will raise the bar for other mid-range devices. From now on, every netbook/UMPC/mid-range device will have to answer to not having full-day battery life.

(and, it would be funny if that causes panic at Apple, if their 10" device wasn't intended to have 12 hours of battery life -- 1.25 months before they're expected to finally announce their mid-range devices, and they just had their thunder stolen)

But, I don't buy devices for hardware alone. The software on this is a complete show stopper for me.
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2009-08-24 , 15:42
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Originally Posted by sarahn View Post
(...) I don't recommend getting their linux based netbook unless you really know what you're doing.
While I understand Nokias choice of OS, they do lack experience with Windows OS even more than with Linux... Starting with your point of view, and supplementing with my Maemo experience, I'd be tempted to say that buying a Nokia booklet is probably going to be a beta tester experience nomatter what OS.
 
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2009-08-24 , 15:43
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There's a passive aggressive resistance to Linux in the corporate world, and it shows when some group is essentially forced to offer it as an option. Packaging, marketing, support all break down in ways not catastrophic but off-putting enough to lead the average consumer to say, "WTF... Windows sucks but the experience was not quite this bad."

And it's easier to return a netbook than server for sure.
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