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	danramos	2010-01-05 , 21:36
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Not yet, but in less than a month... yes. You can have a 2.1 device.

Inaccurate. I've seen people already install 2.1 on their Droids unofficially (expecting an official upgrade soon) and the Nexus One already ships with it now and has already been sold to customers starting today:
http://www.google.com/phone

Go on and get yours, if you want. And yes, I've seen people already holding one in their damned stinky paws.

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gerbick	2010-01-05 , 21:38
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Originally Posted by danramos

Inaccurate. I've seen people already install 2.1 on their Droids unofficially (expecting an official upgrade soon) and the Nexus One already ships with it now and has already been sold to customers starting today:
http://www.google.com/phone

Go on and get yours, if you want. And yes, I've seen people already holding one in their damned stinky paws.

And I stand corrected. Thanks!

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fatalsaint	2010-01-05 , 21:42
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Now that's the spirit
True, but opensource could have patched a phone easily into the OS... and did with Maemo 5.

Yes but it didn't have the *hardware*. There was no point. And also no movement in this direction because... Why?

Ah, see... Fremantle did change the whole insides. Something that neither Mobile OS X nor Android has had to do yet. But despite going to a new platform, they still had enough of the prior framework to really not call it "step zero", but it was pretty damn close from my understanding.

Yes, and this was why I argued in the other thread that Android was decent in this regard that once you have an app working on android it'll work. So long as they stick with Delvik VM. But that right there is a killer.. since the overhead is so high.

Yeah... I'm still waiting on new firmware since June. But I'm just as surprised too about the level of whinging about the new firmware. I've seen dates slip by almost a year before on some other things.

On what?? The N900 hasn't been out since June has it?

But Google will pay/entice other companies to develop on their platform... as well as stay there too. Then when the users get higher, as it did... the updates are still coming. You know how frustrating it is to know that I'll never get another Fring (I've e-mailed and tweeted to them to change their mind) or Skype upgrade on my N810 knowing that it might happen again on the N900? It downright scares me that I'll be stranded on a platform that's heavily evangelized but easily left behind because of how Nokia picks up, restarts between OS restarts and this time, I actually know about Maemo 6 in advance... it's scary.

All true. Nokia should hold a "Maemo Developers Contest" or something. But this still doesn't reflect negatively on the device, or the OS. Having a lack of third party is directly related to number of users - or money.

Droid was found to be 9.4 with the 10.1 upgrade coming in Spring of 2010. That alone is forcing my hand to see who will be first - the N900 or Android.

So in other words.. not yet.

Despite those being legitimate complaints... you know damn well they'll be upgraded and improved soon enough. But it's fun playing devil's advocate sometimes

This is my hope.. not that I care. I don't think I'll need Ovi Store.. GPS *is* useful though. I don't have an N900 so I don't know if it's "good enough" for me or not. But it's not a dealbreaker for me by any means.

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fatalsaint	2010-01-05 , 21:43
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Originally Posted by danramos

I rather LOVE my new Droid and I'm having a hard time wanting to sell off my N800 (coworker is trying to convince me to sell it to him). I would have liked to have gotten an N900 but it's too expensive and I don't want my computer to be a phone. I don't consider my Droid a computer first--I see it as a fancy PHONE. The N800 was always a computer to me. The N900, to me, seems more like sadly crippled phone that wants to also be a computer. Do not want.

Why do you say wants to be a computer? How is the N900 any more negative than the N800? You know the items you have now and love on the N800 are very likely to hit the N900. So what is it the Droid gives you in a phone - that the N900 couldn't provide, and also what are you missing from the Droid that the N800 filled, that the N900 couldn't? For me it seems it can be the perfect blend for both. No more need for 2 devices.

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	danramos	2010-01-05 , 21:45
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Google, a company that has never made a cell phone before, succeeded in one-upping the iPhone rather than the meager 'Me too! Me too!' of the N900 from Nokia, a company with years of experience in making cell phones. Disappointing. Seriously--should have stuck with the much more purposeful Internet Tablets market you created. :/

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InfinityDevil	2010-01-05 , 21:46
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Originally Posted by ndi

My last hope is with the community, frankly, I've got real hope. Frankly, I'm thinking I'll be using third party everything someday. My bet is someone will put together a phone app before Nokia fixes it up real nice.

Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see what the next firmware will bring. Boy do I hope I'm wrong.

But is the platform open enough to have hooks that the community could do it? And if Nokia's developer docs are as bad as are hinted at elsewhere, is there really any hope for it to happen?

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InfinityDevil	2010-01-05 , 21:47
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Originally Posted by colnago

The more user-friendly and well integrated into everyday lives a device will be, will dictate its financial sucess, but at what cost to the "power user". I think Google/Android is onto something, especially with voice search with "maps". Avg. "mass market" user goes crazy for that stuff.

I disagree. The phone can have a beautiful front end and a not-tough-to-access control panel to let the gearheads bolt on all sorts of fun things and open up the root access to the system. It doesn't have to be either-or. It can have strong tinkerer support if done right.

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Laughing Man	2010-01-05 , 21:47
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The problem fatalsaint is if you try to use the N900 as you did the n800 you'll find you'll find yourself with a dead battery very soon.

The battery life is nice on the N900 (I've only had it shorten on me after I installed a few questionable apps but I'm to lazy to diagnose it right now). But if I played with it as often as I did with my n800 I would need an extra battery or one of those rejuicers. With the n800 that was fine, cause I could still use my cheap free cell phone to receive calls or make a call if I ever needed to. With the N900 if I use it as much as I used the n800 I find myself with the inability to receive calls or make them (on the rare occasion that I do). =P

Originally Posted by InfinityDevil

I disagree. The phone can have a beautiful front end and a not-tough-to-access control panel to let the gearheads bolt on all sorts of fun things and open up the root access to the system. It doesn't have to be either-or. It can have strong tinkerer support if done right.

The only problem with that is telcos don't want you to have the not-tough-to-access control panel.

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InfinityDevil	2010-01-05 , 21:47
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Originally Posted by HangLoose

"Why only 512MB for app storage?"
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/l...ss-conference/

Seriously?!? In a device that should kill the iphone?! that should be revolutionary... cmon guys.. and people ranting about n900?

i would like to see the face of all of those who said something about the n900 app storage

I haven't seen a real review on the n900 yet. How much app storage did the final unit ship with? This is a big question for me.

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	danramos	2010-01-05 , 21:51
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint

Why do you say wants to be a computer? How is the N900 any more negative than the N800? You know the items you have now and love on the N800 are very likely to hit the N900. So what is it the Droid gives you in a phone - that the N900 couldn't provide, and also what are you missing from the Droid that the N800 filled, that the N900 couldn't? For me it seems it can be the perfect blend for both. No more need for 2 devices.

That's an idiot's argument. Did you ever own a 486 back in the day? Did you ever buy a newer computer, even though the old one did its job well? I want what I liked in the N800--but newer (faster, more RAM, more capacity, etc.) not a whole NEW product like a phone (which I prefer to separate from my computer).

What does the Droid give me that the N900 couldn't? hehe.. you're serious, aren't you? For one--the Droid is ACTUALLY a phone--it's stable and MUCH MUCH more featureful as a phone. You only need to search the forums to find out how lousy the N900 seems to work as a phone compared to anything else.

I prefer two devices--one is a phone.. which is NOT my computer (hence stable and not hacked and not liable to crash and I can feel comfortable with tinkering on)--one is a computer.. which is where I'm much more free to treat it as a computer.