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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by gobuki
This is easier because you are in fact dealing with probability here. The car might not kill all five, or the one. You would make your best guess. Probably the one. But if the one was your kid, probably the five.
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by Flynx
More mundanely, I think that surprisingly many people have made similar choices during the huge numbers of car crashes there are. They could probably be studied statistically. It would make an interesting dissertation.
I would be very interested to ask this question to war vets who have actually killed people before. I think their answers would be statistically different.
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2010-04-16
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@ Po' Bo'. PA
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Originally Posted by dkwatts
Light up a joint and walk away...
from mylot.com
I was taking a philosophy class and our teacher asked us these three scenarios.
1: You are standing by the switch near a train track. The train is coming and the brakes are broken. The train is headed on a path where it will run over five people who are tied to the tracks, killing them. If you pull the switch, the train will switch direction and go on a track where it will kill 1 person who is tied to the tracks, but if you don't pull it he will be safe. You have no time to untie anyone. What do you do?
2: You are standing on a bridge over a train track. The train is coming, the brakes are broken, and there are 5 people tied to the tracks. There is a fat man on the bridge. This man is fat enough that if you pushed him, he would stop the train from running over the 5 people, but he would be killed. Do you push him?
3: Same situation as #2, but the fat man is standing on a trapdoor. You are standing by a lever that will open the trapdoor, he will fall onto the tracks, stop the train from running over the five people, and be killed. Do you pull it?
What would you do?
It is very easy. In all 3 situations action = murder. Simple azat.
Depraved indifference isn't murder.
The classic Hitler question "If you knew in 1939 that Hitler would eventually exterminate 11 million people and you had the chance to kill him; would You?" is the same moral dilemma but the answer is also the same. If action equals murder than morally you should not act.
Inaction never equals murder.
'cus you don't know everything but, you are resposible for what you actually do.
Last edited by YoDude; 2010-04-16 at 03:58.
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2010-04-16
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#84
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I know who can answer this definitively...
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by YoDude
Another way to look at it, is that your action would make Hitler a hero/martyr rather than a mass murdering bastard. In 1939, he had changed Germany's morale and economy, and inspired more people than most current politicians can only dream of. I'm not saying saying that 1930-1939 were extremely good years, but compared to what happened after those dates, it wasn't extremely bad.
The classic Hitler question "If you knew in 1939 that Hitler would eventually exterminate 11 million people and you had the chance to kill him; would You?" is the same moral dilemma but the answer is also the same. If action equals murder than morally you should not act.
Another way to look at it is this: If you had the opportunity to murder him when he was a child. In essence, you would murder an innocent child, as he hadn't done anything bad, and would never be able to.
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by CrashandDie
I take it you've seen "Genesis of the Daleks"! ;-)
Another way to look at it, is that your action would make Hitler a hero/martyr rather than a mass murdering bastard. In 1939, he had changed Germany's morale and economy, and inspired more people than most current politicians can only dream of. I'm not saying saying that 1930-1939 were extremely good years, but compared to what happened after those dates, it wasn't extremely bad.
Another way to look at it is this: If you had the opportunity to murder him when he was a child. In essence, you would murder an innocent child, as he hadn't done anything bad, and would never be able to.
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by YoDude
The point of the question is to see how you deal with your own choices. It’s easy (in a morbid way) as there are no good or bad choices, only the question is which outcome bothers the decision maker more. As crashanddie says, reality says most people will not react, but that does not imply it is the correct or moral way to do it.
Light up a joint and walk away...
It is very easy. In all 3 situations action = murder. Simple azat.
Depraved indifference isn't murder.
A closely related dilemma that actually DOES happen (and to which people are being prepared to/talked about), is the case where the doctor(s) have to make a choice, for example with a pregnant woman who is heavily injured. The doctor can choose to save the mother, the child, or just be indifferent and do nothing, which will very likely (but not certainly!) result in the death of both. It’s a very sad decision to make and it’s very difficult to say indifference is the ’easy choice’.
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2010-04-16
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This thread only leads me to conclude two things:
1. Based on the responses, we need an ethical resolver application for the N900. Urgently!
2. Nokia doesn't care to ethics, thus PR1.2 is late.
1. Based on the responses, we need an ethical resolver application for the N900. Urgently!
2. Nokia doesn't care to ethics, thus PR1.2 is late.
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
Wow, I never made that link. Thanks!
I take it you've seen "Genesis of the Daleks"! ;-)
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2010-04-16
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