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2011-01-12 , 09:47
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#81
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Yay. So can anybody else.

OH SHI'! It runs on an Android phone with NATIVE xorg.. WITHOUT VNC!!!
http://www.androidcentral.com/meego-...amsung-nexus-s
Holy pooh!

This changes everything - you can run an established Linux distro on android device and enjoy using linux software.

This is great news - why wait for Meego (yet another linux distibution)?

Andoid devices have gained the ability to run something like ubuntu and have "proper" linux in your pocket - very cool!

Big question is "How well do bluetooth keyboards/mice work in android?".

Thanks danramos - you've convinced me that my next device is proably android-based (unless Nokia+MeeGo is really special)!

I feel like this guy (spy Mark stone switched sides defend eco warriors court)
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I'm going to stare vacantly at my computer screen and question my belief system.
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2011-01-12 , 11:06
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#82
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
HDMI output versus composite. Why would you switch to the N8? Just to prove a point?
You guys totally got me there, you're right that was very poor argumentation. I don't think it was very clear even to me what my point was, and so my delivery was really off.

What just gets to me is how the Atrix seems to do a lot of things that can already be done with earlier devices (such as N8, N900, tonnes of other Android devices), but the Atrix adds a dock into the equation. It tries to tie you down to accessories and all the while reversing the point of having a "all-in-one" device, to a device that needs additional parts to make it work fully. (Still waiting for comments on my take on this kind of IMO backwards philosophy, guys!)

To me this doesn't really sound like its worth the investment of money from me, nor does it qualify in my book as radically new and exciting technology, which doesn't seem to be the case for many.

You guys also had me there when comparing composite to HDMI; of course HDMI is more enjoyable and it wasn't my intention to dispute that. What I tried to point out is how viewing your mobile's apps on a computer screen can already be done with devices that came before the Atrix, and although Atrix does it a little better (and I feel we're talking cosmetics here), if my current device can already do it, I won't consider this a new innovation that could be useful to me. I'll rather wait for the next device to come along that does this without the extra accessories.

So then, with the risk of being accused of changing my argument again to better match my point, I will press the "submit reply" button! I guess I just say whatever I want, and mean whatever I want by it, huh?
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2011-01-12 , 11:15
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#83
Originally Posted by mthmob View Post
dual core 1ghz cpu?? mobiles are really taking off.. in a few years, mobile phones will be as powerfull as average laptop is today.
For that they would need to become as large as laptops to carry around these huge laptop batteries.
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2011-01-12 , 11:18
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#84
Originally Posted by Lemonadium View Post
"can run at up to 2Ghz thanks to the two 1GHz cores packed in"
Yeeaaaah, by same logic and im running my PC @24GHz
I don't think any modern CPU has operated at a strict one instruction per clock since the turn of the century :-)
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2011-01-12 , 13:12
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#85
With the N900 you can VNC both out and in, you can use X forwarding, and even remote desktop to Windows machines; how do the contenders compare?
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2011-01-12 , 16:49
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#86
Originally Posted by johnel View Post
you can run an established Linux distro on android device and enjoy using linux software.

This is great news - why wait for Meego (yet another linux distibution)?
The primary hole here is that your 3D still doesn't work because the IP core vendor (and handset vendor) aren't playing along. So while it runs, and that's cool, it does everything in software instead of using the 3D hardware.

Nothing special here, in that respect.
 
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2011-01-12 , 20:33
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Originally Posted by TiagoTiago View Post
With the N900 you can VNC both out and in, you can use X forwarding, and even remote desktop to Windows machines; how do the contenders compare?
Everyone has VNC. EVERYONE. Even Symbian.

You can use the iPhone to VNC to N900 which can VNC to your desktop that VNCs itself. It's Caligula all over again.
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2011-01-21 , 09:21
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#88
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Out of 24 Droids for two of the offices I support, I saw only one bad Droid. We got a replacement in 3 days, no problems on updates or anything since.

Out of the three N900's in those very same offices, two were faulty within months, the third was returned.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective and experience. So far, my experience with Droid phones has been positive... just not positive enough to have persuaded me against buying a Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S variant for AT&T in the US) instead.

I don't think people are arguing that the Atrix is the end all/say all solution for everybody. It just does a better job than quite a few other solutions before it - N900 possibly included.
Motorolas (normally) make solid phones, their build quality is very good. I wasn't saying their build quality is bad.

I'm just waiting for the Nokia N9, it will bring what it brings, its the s/w thats more important than the H/W in some cases.

Only a few more weeks to go till MWC, and we will probably find out then the specs of the N9.

I've got an android phone and a Nokia N900, I really do like the android OS, it's very nice and slick, but it's not really a power users OS, it just does not have the same apps that the N900 does, like openoffice 3, winzip, winrar, canola, debian, usb host mode, nmap, backtrack, wireshark, rdp, vnc, ssh, bittorrent and smb.

Android DOES have SOME of these but not all (before you go screaming!).

Its not ONE feature of the N900 thats makes it better - its the WHOLE package! The GPS is decent (as is Sygic), its has TV-Out, build quality is decent, its a resistive screeen, has IR, has a good quality camera, memory card slot, decent speakers, good quality screen.

Its all these things together that means anything else is just NOT up to scratch, it just doesn't provide me with the same experience.
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2011-01-21 , 09:35
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Sure, it's got a good CPU, but.. much less storage space than N900 and lacks a full keyboard :/ I wouldn't get my panties wet over that.
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2011-01-21 , 09:49
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Originally Posted by tomchiverton View Post
I don't think any modern CPU has operated at a strict one instruction per clock since the turn of the century :-)
In fact, no CPU has ever done that. Only a small handful of instructions can be done in 1 clock cycle, most of them require 3 cycles, and some can require even up to 16 cycles. It really depends on the instruction in question. And this is all assuming the instruction and all the data it uses are already in L1 cache. EDIT: Thought that I should mention that RISC comes closer to executing instructions at 1 instruction per cycle than x86, but even there some exceptions do apply.

Not to mention that performance doesn't scale linearly with cores: most applications are still single-threaded and thus only run on a single core. A theoretical example would be compressing a large file with a really expensive compression method and the app doing the compressing was single-threaded: one of the cores would be at 100% workload, while the other one was simply waiting idly all the time. Thus it's simply wrong to say "it's got 2 1Ghz cores thus it's really 2Ghz!"

Even if the application was multi-threaded it still might not be able to use all the available cores to their full extent as it requires quite some expertise and knowledge from the programmer's part to know how to code everything in a way that causes no lock issues: if one thread on core #1 is waiting for some data the other thread on core #2 is still working on the #1 is still waiting idly by.
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