Summary: abill_uk in his usual role: knowing jack sh*t, talking hot air en masse.

Please people, let's keep this on-topic and stop feeding the trolls (even if Hanlon's razor applies).

According to: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members :
Linux foundation members:
Platinum:

• Fujitsu
• Hitachi
• IBM
• Intel
• NEC
• Oracle
• Qualcomm (QUIC)

Gold:

• AMD
• China Mobile
• Cisco
• Etri
• Google
• HP
• Motorola
• NetAPP
• Nokia
• Novell
• Panasonic
• Toyota

Silver:
skipped

This remainds me of ISO committees. It's there to facilitate open international standards, but over the time the organisation was infested with big corporations and interest groups. They pay big money for sitting in the committees which work on standards, vote on the them and publish them.

This kind of system allows members to influence standars and maintain awareness of developments.

Is there any place for community there?
NO

This kind of organization is not for small companies or communities.

The decision is not surprising, all of the members have significant patent portfolios and long history of patent fights.

Do they want community?
NO, their goal is to marginalise organisations such as FSF.

My guess is that several of the for-mentioned entities have created informal interest group which has pushed this decision.

Similar things happened in past with OASIS standard.

Think about entrusting wolves with the well being of a sheep.

Meee, Meeee.....

By the way, folks, if there's someone whose frequent posts bother you, and who doesn't seem to contribute to any of the threads that they post in, you can click on their name, choose "View public profile", click on the "user lists" drop-down, and choose "add to ignore list". This makes all the posts by that user turn into little one sentence blurbs: "This message is hidden because username is on your ignore list."

I only wish this option would hide any posts that quote or refer to that person, as well. Sadly, you still have to skip over all of the gluttons for punishment who try to talk sense into the person that you've ignored.

just read thru the whole thread and i think gerbick pretty much summed it up in his previous two posts;
what i would like to add, which strikes me as important, is the fact that MeeGo or Maemo for that matter can't be compared with a traditional Linux / GNU distro because it / they are / were driven by a hardware vendor.

this will never work
period.
Intel may be a better option in that they don't manufacture devices themselves but only components.
it comes closer to the Android situation where Google doesn't care about royalties but sells Adword clicks.

i wonder in how far NOKIA will in fact stop founding maemo.org after 2012.
did they ever provide founds for more then a year at a time?

another MeeGo device ?

true, right now NOKIA sounds all wp and that's what Elop has been hired for.
that doesn't mean they do not keep doing other things in parallel. standing behind formeego.com/org or continued founding for maemo.org seem to hint at a dedicated NOKIA that supports it products.

open sourcing drivers?
this isn't NOKIA's battle.
it's TI's fight, if they want to fight it and obviously, TI has chosen not to open source their code.
just like NVidia is NOT open sourcing but providing binaries for nearly any platform one can name.
even supporting old GPUs with binaries of old drivers that are kept up to date to the current kernel version.

nVidia – The new MeeGo Battle Ground

you wouldn't be able to run any (ANY) Linux / GNU distro on an Alienware if you were depending on Dell to provide drivers.

hoping for the best...
so, what about planning for the worst?
well, obviously Intel isn't keen on an open source software market.
forums are great (& cheap) to support "geeks" (or even Dad or Mom who are playing around with... Smeegol on an old lappy during the week-end.)
to compete with fruits & Co., you need something more serious. sorry

EDIT: LF? well, the open source (reverse engineered) drivers that come with the kernel are worth... well, whatever they are worth
LF doesn't provide any proprietary code in the kernel. like i said before, it is up to NVidia, AMD/ATI, Broadcom and the like to either make the source code available or provide binaries for their hw.
openSUSE or Fedora are good examples of Linux / GNU distro that work because they are backed by SW / service companies that benefit from the open community contribution (SuSE / Novell respectively RedHat) and thus provide "hosting" and infrastructure.
DebIan is the notable exception of a distro that is totally independent.
maybe an inspiration for MeeGo / Maemo future?

That is a side-channel attack.

Yes and after nearly 2 years to end up with a mess it gets very boring and tiring.

Nothing new nothing moves forward only talk talk talk and no action.

This community could have been something not like it is now BORING.

Actually I've referred to the "leakage" of the ignored information, when somebody replies with quoted text, so ignoring becomes useless.

is it so difficult to read the author of the post & decide to skip the post altogether?
need an automatic gearbox & airco for everything, right?
automatic steering, maybe, too?
automatic updates, like m$?
automatic forums? sure...

i don't think abill was refering to the ignore feature.
(he uses it)
rather suspect he was disappointed by posters branding TROLL all over the place without ever addressing the issue of the post(s).
namely the deafening silence of the Council.

We are the last to find out anything untill somebody let's it loose.

All this thread is about is yet another problem to stop what this community should be about, progress.

It is all wrong from start to finish because all anyone wants is a working progressive mobile device, not something you pay 600 quid for to be completely forgotten about in the space of less than a year by it's manufacturer.

All this nonsence is is just another step back from reality to give more.... talk talk talk.

Linux , Maemo and MeeGo are not going anywhere right now because of legal situations that keep cropping up.

Nokia have made us all suffer at the end of the day by pulling the plug on just about everyone.