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juiceme is offline juiceme
2013-06-30 , 19:50
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I have no ideea about any malware, but the bluetooth was offline just like the wireless most of the time (you know the battery problem on older android smartphones). I don't know, I really don't... But as I said this would be something that people would pay heavy money on the black market. A phone that can intercept messages or download any message list from a phone within a close range.
Well, if it was only for Android devices, then it makes sense it's something not network dependent, since otherwice it would have worked on all types of devices.
I would also believe it was some sort of malware infestation, those being most common on Android devices.


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Another ideea. My Windows Phone right now have a function inside it, it's called Find my phone, and this function can track your phone even if it's offline or turned off (tested). In my case the phone have a sealed in battery so you can't remove that, and when in shut-down state it can still activate GPS, A-GPS and GSM to determine it's location and send it to Microsoft. This way you can buy/make a gift a phone like this and track that person.
I rather doubt it will activate TX on any radios when in airplane mode or shutdown, as that would be a severe violation of FCC rules. Passive listening on GPS signal or CCC's on 2G/3G might be allowed, though.
Then, later when the device goes online it could send this information to some central tracking (Microsoft?) server.


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How can I use my phone to track someone? First of all you set up a blank Microsoft account that you're gonna claim, and give away your phone to the person you want to track. That person is going to log in with a secondary Microsoft account or if the phone is working as is it's not going to log on with anything else except maybe Facebook, Twitter or Google. Then log in on your Windows 8 PC with that account and everything will sync with your pc: SMS, CALL LIST, PEOPLE, AND PHONE LOCATION. Ok, and that's with the Winodws, now if we could extend this concept to other phones like Android, Symbian, Blackberry, Maemo, MeeGo and why not Jolla, think of the money that will be paid by jealous husbands to watch their wives and vice-versa and why not, parents tracking their kids.

How? Microsoft don't need any connectivity from the phone (meaning as I said that the phone can be in airplane mode - full offline) and still get the location. A method like this we should use not to be network dependent, and think about this, who doesn't have a Facebook account? Meaning that that phone may go at least once a day online to check Facebook or Twitter or RSS or anything. While phone is online, a package should wait a secure upload, and trust me, how many SMS and call logs you should have to exceed 50-100kb? When you go online that package gets uploaded and decrypted on the account of the specific user.
That kind of functionality can of course be implemented on any platform, that's not the problem. The problem here I see that you should not ever implement it for any other purpose than tracking your own lost/stolen device. It's not to be used for spying on other people.


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How legal? This I don't know, but this of this. You hire a private-eye and that's legal? Why this shouldn't be? We are going to monitor that person for a specified time and give you a confidential report about that person after you agree a contract and you agree that your purpose is strictly personal and the data you receive will only be used in court or other legal authorities (like a divorce trial, or suing a bar because your underage son came drunk at home and he visited that bar as your watch log say). So I say this can even be legal in some way?
Legality depens on your location. In most european countries for example this will be very illegal, and you will do jailtime for attempting it.
In some 3rd world countries you might be able to hire a private-eye's to do that sort of stuff, but not in civilized world.

There are plenty of things that technically can be done, but usually there's a limit on what you should do. If you are a sysadmin on a private server or on an industrial system you sure can read people's emails and access private files but are you going to do so just because you can?
I sure hope not.
 

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2013-06-30 , 22:08
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It was not an idea "because I can", it was an ideea to make some money out of a service that many people would want.

Legality depens on your location. In most european countries for example this will be very illegal, and you will do jailtime for attempting it.
Please give me some country examples where there are no private detective companies. Later these days I saw near a local market an ad for a SCHOOL that gives you a license to become a private detective.

I rather doubt it will activate TX on any radios when in airplane mode or shutdown, as that would be a severe violation of FCC rules. Passive listening on GPS signal or CCC's on 2G/3G might be allowed, though.
Then, later when the device goes online it could send this information to some central tracking (Microsoft?) server.
Maybe, the most probable thing shoud be to store a log af the latest X locations and upload them whenever online again.

I would also believe it was some sort of malware infestation, those being most common on Android devices.
Tried to search anything about this kind of malware but nothing...
 
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2013-07-01 , 04:47
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#83
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It was not an idea "because I can", it was an ideea to make some money out of a service that many people would want.

Please give me some country examples where there are no private detective companies. Later these days I saw near a local market an ad for a SCHOOL that gives you a license to become a private detective.
Well, for example in Finland of course there are private detective companies, but they must obey the law in all their operations, just as any citizens. Private detectives do not have any "special rights"

For example, what is allowed;
  • Following people covertly (anyone can do this)
  • Taking photographs on public places (anyone can do this)

For example, what is not allowed;
  • Hacking into accounts
  • Taking photographs in private areas
  • Listening into private conversations
  • Reading anyone's email
  • Exposing signature details of private communication (who you called or texted, when did it happen)
  • using covert devices to track people

Privacy violation laws are fortunately well enforced here, even stronger than laws concerning stealing/destroying material property.

Even the police cannot listen into your communications without court order, and to get that permit the suspected felony has to be such that minimum jail sentance for it is over 2 years. And they need to have pretty good evidence already against you before they can apply for the permit.
 

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2013-07-01 , 05:19
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#84
Yup juiceme here india you will get sued for such stuff
 

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Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
For example, what is allowed;
  • Following people covertly (anyone can do this)
  • Taking photographs on public places (anyone can do this)

Privacy violation laws are fortunately well enforced here, even stronger than laws concerning stealing/destroying material property.
I have just one question, I heard right now, even that stuff is illegal. It's called stalking and I have no ideea in what areas and zones it's illegal.

Another question, on many sites you get some ads like "track a phone now, read sms and stuff", and yes, that stuff is obviously fake, but aren't there any services like that (legal somehow) because I would really be interested about how, if it exists, how they are in use of the laws .
 
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2013-07-02 , 18:32
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Originally Posted by TheoX View Post
Ion many sites you get some ads like "track a phone now, read sms and stuff", and yes, that stuff is obviously fake, but aren't there any services like that (legal somehow) because I would really be interested about how, if it exists, how they are in use of the laws .
You have the right to do many things to YOURSELF and YOUR devices. You can install keyloggers and similar software on your own PC or send/save a copy of all texts, email and voice communication from your own phone. Corporations are allowed to do many of the same thing on their company devices allowing for remote location and remote wipe and auditing of all transactions. It is illegal when you install such things on other people's personal devices without them knowing about it.
 

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2013-07-02 , 20:02
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Originally Posted by juiceme View Post

In some 3rd world countries you might be able to hire a private-eye's to do that sort of stuff, but not in civilized world.

I sure hope not.
Just curious i'm wondering what we (from 3rd world) need to do to be considered civilized ! Should we stop to eat our sons ? Damn... That will be bad !!!

Just kidding...
 

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2013-07-03 , 04:46
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Just curious i'm wondering what we (from 3rd world) need to do to be considered civilized ! Should we stop to eat our sons ? Damn... That will be bad !!!

Just kidding...
Well, from reading my posts you will sooner or later get what countries I consider 3rd world...
It is not exactly the same as the official definition, no!

I do not know where you are from, so I cannot offer that advice to you
 

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2013-07-03 , 04:54
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define third world please
 

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2013-07-03 , 04:57
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Another question, on many sites you get some ads like "track a phone now, read sms and stuff", and yes, that stuff is obviously fake, but aren't there any services like that (legal somehow) because I would really be interested about how, if it exists, how they are in use of the laws .
Well, only way those things can be legal when done covertly is when it is done by government officials acting on court permission.

If you need to know the thechnical background on how it is done, there is no need to inttrall anything on the phone, as on the network there is a standardized method to activate tracking and monitoring. Search ingormation on "Lawful interception".

just as kingstu said, to your own device you can do anything you like, but when you do it to somebody else, or trick somebody to use your device so prepared, you are committing a crime.
 

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