Another eensy-weensy step forward...
Tomorrow morning I'll be posting the link here...
currently uploading to my cloud drive is...

LMDE2Betsy - 32bit - Mate - new jessie (hooray!) - rolling release - live iso ...with qtsdk 1.1.1 for n900 and Scratchbox for n900... it ain't small 3.2gb and the system will need to be updated once installed ( a handful of updates...I was going to but decided against additional overhead on the live iso.)

The interesting thing here is ..Scratch isn't in a vm. It's on system.
which is bloody nice for a change...
I was getting sick of booting up my mad scientist lapdog ..
and then frickin' (love that word ....so expressive...) booting up a vm...
and then getting inta Scratch...
frickin' house of endless frickin' () doors...hahahahahaha..
(mental note- less sugar...more sleep...perhaps see therapist ...)

Also...Scratchbox is only installed up to the "Installing the Maemo SDK" section (but no further.) from here
https://wiki.maemo.org/Building_a_Vi...mo_development
It just balloons in size from there...
I do think it possible to get it all on the live iso ...
I'll fiddle with it more later.
For now it does cut down a bit on setup time having Scratch at least installed.

Suggestions in order:

-Suggested - make an immediate back up copy of this iso once downloaded.

-Suggested - usb/ sdcard size of at least 32gb.

-Suggested - once the user has put this on a usb/ sdcard IMMEDIATELY use a partitioning tool (don't forget)....
gparted...whatever...
to enlarge the size of the usb/ sdcard live distro partition to that 32gb minimum BEFORE continuing with Scratchbox and running the Maemo SDK installation and installing binaries and cool crap...

-Don't do all this on an 8gb usb/ sdcard ...
or space smaller than your 32gb...
or you'll run out of room real quick ..
who wants to develop on free-space the size of a postage stamp?

-All login/ passwords are betsy32.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5q...ew?usp=sharing

edit: I've deleted the above linked files...
and methods here as well..
and to steer people in the right direction and not have loose ends...
for new instructions, suggestions and a better concluding solution to this issue and essential downloads go here :
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

Thanks for all the work so far man

However, I don't fully understand what you mean by this:

Originally Posted by endsormeans

Trick is I've tried a full distro running virtualbox with another system inside running scratch with everything installed...it was too much for the process...the process took...the live distro booted...everything was there..including virtualbox ...but Scratch and all the fremantle goodies was too much data for the process.

You mean your VirtualBox instance crashed? What do you mean exactly with too much (data)?

Scratch ..even by itself.... installed on lubuntu 32bit is still huge for the process.
Most distro install iso's aren't over 8gb ..Scratch alone is about that big...it's alot to try to beat into a smaller space.
There is always cloning...that is a solution...but which is a last solution...

Well, I've said this before, but for me the ISO doesn't need to be "small", e.g.< 10gb, as long as it contains all SDK's. Most people (esp. developers, I would recon) have a 16gb USB stick nowadays right? And sharing of the ISO could easily be done through torrent

lmde2betsy is great since it is pretty close to my desire of utilizing the new jessie..in a rolling release format in live iso distro format. and it works fine with smaller tools ..like qtsdk.
same with antiX15 beta.(jessie as well)..the running distro to live iso with qt sdk works fine...which is fantastic...I am just waiting for antiX15 to be out of beta and then I see a point of continuing there.
Same goes for Bodhi..I did get everthing working properly ...but Bodhi is going through some changes and I want to wait for them to finish and I'll pick up from there.
So just for the moment right now.. I'm working with lmde2betsy...

Cool, sounds good man! Good luck with your lmde2betsy endeavours

Edit: Just noticed I replied to a older post. The above is no longer relevant :P

Anyhow, super sweet dude, thanks a lot! Really curious to see that ISO!

BING!
Easy-Bake Oven Brownies are done ..
Gettin' there...
better'n the original Frankenmo
I like betsy better than louie anyway.

Grueling...is the best word I can think of at the moment.
By tomorrow night at the earliest ...Sunday midday at the latest..
I'm hoping to be finished by then...

If everything goes well...
[seriously cross your fingers..]
and if all goes well..
[knock on lotsa wood]
and surprisingly... it is going very very well so far..
[kick a leprechaun..]
better than I expected...and sooner too.
[whole lotta hail-mary's...]

I have the 1st of the ..."..?..." live r.r. distros coming..
[haven't come up with a catchy enough term yet...um..hm..]
anyway..yeah ..I'm pretty pumped...
considering the last distro...I think I may have fudged a bit ..thinking back..
omitted something..forgot something...
but this one coming...so far...it is good..sweet juicy-juice perfection.
If the last little bit..the last day of fiddling works out...
it's gonna be ...golden.
So yeah...start checkin' in tomorrow evening ...
If road-bumps pop up 'tween now and the [hopefully] good news..
I'll post asap.
For now it's 2am and I'm done...
I'm hittin' the snort-fort...
and continue when I get up.

Ok...
so here's how it sits.
1st- the rundown of what I have got here at exactly this moment.
2nd- the great news ..
3rd- the "meh"...-not-terribly-exceptionally-great-news .

No really bad news. -which is good news

1st- the rundown : what we got (and more is being added).

I thought I'd tackle the snarly, tangled, half-lost, other-half hard-to-find nightmare of all the environments to work in for diablo 4.1.2 for the n800 and n810. consequently there just isn't enough beer to make the brain-pain go away (and after so long from doing even half this stuff....and now seeing how awkward and difficult it is to find alot of this older stuff now...I see now that this task I set myself ...I realize it is preservation as much as anything)

-LMDE2Betsy 32bit jessie rolling release..with a good loongggg projected lifespan...
for pre-set-up click-and-go dive-head-long-into..
diablo 4.1.2 development.
-Installed and functioning fine is:
the complete diablo 4.1.2 scratchbox development environment and sdk pristine..fresh...untouched..ready to just start and go.
-Esbox
-Pluthon
-Mica
-pydev
-and more goodies being added over the next bit.


2nd-the great news...

everything is fine....just ducky.
the beauty of it is..it's on the latest debian (almost fully) jessie rolling release. Easily updatable (now subtle disclaimer here: I made sure the entirety of the system was updated completely before starting all this joy-joy...it will be completely up to you to update whatever you wish and make or break whatever..so I'd suggest heeding the following advice a little further down * ...)
-No virtualbox vm here ...No Ubuntu "Antiquated Aardvark" or "Mummified Moose" ...
nothing so outdated you need more overhead and stress on you brain or comp. system...
-Everything is on the system.
Some may figure that "uh-oh" ..what if something goes wrong?
which can easily happen...and you've overcooked ..whatever and something breaks?
* Not to worry...love "Systemback"...which is installed as well btw.
1-click and just flip back to an earlier snapshot you took.. and in a couple seconds "bam" you're whole system is back to exactly where you were before things went loopy and you pressed/ deleted/ changed/ installed "whatever" . Not good enough? Systemback will clone the whole system to wherever you want ..so you could make back up copies 1-click easily as well..(which I suggest anyway).

(There is a ton more great news but I am getting tired after yet another day of this..I'm sure in my sleep I'll remember more stuff I should have said here.)
This is the one-stop click-and-go for diablo 4.1.2 development..
on a virtualbox vm free up to date system...
It's almost completed.. I just want to get the last bits on..
Same kinda setup is going to be for Fremantle(n900) and Bora(770)..
This is essentially as noob-friendly as it is ever going to get...past people doing the actually development FOR the new person.
There won't ever be a reason any longer why someone can't study and develop...because they couldn't figure out the "Some (insane and maddening) Assembly Required" instructions...or simply just get exhausted and exasperated at the process and give up.


So here it comes...

3rd- the "meh" -not so fabulous great news....

I knew it was going to be hefty in size...and I originally wanted devel. environ. and tools for the 770, 8x0, and 900 all in one distro.
but to avoid problems and conflicts and size (and I ran into enough probs having it all on one distro...) I split them up into 3 distros. the login for this one is betsyd32 - the "d" standing for diablo just as the latest betsyf32 is for fremantle and betsyb32 is for Bora (for the hacker 2007 ed.) all the passwords are betsy. Scratch login is ..what is the word...(bloody-hell I'm tired)..."standard factory settings" ?
I'm almost done betsyd32...
betsyf32 has a bit more left to do..
and I have a small ways to go on betsyb32...

So as far as size goes (and I still don't find that problematic..)
the entirety of the distro is at around 18gb so far...
I don't expect ...for all the diablo tools and devel. environs ..to take more than 25 gb in total by the time I'm finished. There were just sooo many tools, plugins and environments created for the n8x0...

I'm not expecting the sister distros to take as much space...
for the Bora I'm working on just getting scratch up and working and everything on it..perhaps a couple of extra tools...I don't think there were a heck of alot for the the 770...but I'll put on all I can hunt down.
the same for Fremantle...scratch..qtsdk..everything I can think of for the n900...perhaps a few others if enough people want something and pipe-up and say ....

Here is the pinch ...the "rub" as Shakespeare would put it.
Scratch and the sdk in it's totality does not take well to the (easy) creation of live distros.

[edit: thinking long and hard that it if all the tools and installations were done to the home folder in the 1st place ...or even if now...everything devel oriented is moved specifically to say the home folder and every inferring link is shunted to the home directory...things should work fine for easy-peasy 1-click live distro creation/ replication directly from the running instance of the system in question....but that will be for another time to muck with...)
no worries tho...I'm stubborn... and I'm not prepared to abandon my goal..I just need at least the quasi-semblance of some fictitious seeming closure...for a little anyway..
Regardless..as things stand ..it can be done...it can all be put onto a usb or sd card ...by you...
See.. the easiest method for me to get it to everybody for now..and somewhat timely too ...after looking at the problem from every angle ..(and the fact an easily created iso would be smoother and quicker and more easily distributed...but that'll have to wait for the moment..)
..is for me to take the finished betsy~32's and clone them with say... clonezilla or G4L (and yup cloning does preserve everything nicely)...and package the whole partition in an image and throw it up via ftp.
It would be 1 download and then using the exact same tool..clonezilla or G4L to simply click and extract and mount it onto an empty partition of your choice on ..whatever...your computer, sd card, usb, some or all of the above...make a swap space..bootloader..grub, burg, whatever you please..use a partition tool afterward to increase the amount of free space to play with ..and well...have fun.

So that was the "meh" news.
It ain't stellar...it ain't a horrible situation that is unbearable either.
It's more like you get your banana-split with EVERYTHING on it...except the maraschino cherry on the top....kinda-thingie.
Given enough time and mean determination to bash everything into the way I want it..I'm sure I can get scratch and the sdk to play nice with easy-peasy 1-click live distro creation. But for the time being..that "cherry-on-top" will have to wait. I want to get the bulk of all this done....1st
Then I don't want to even "hear" the word "development" for ...(I don't know how long yet...) days? weeks? months? ...i dunno.
I just love/ hate puzzles..so I can't stop til it is finished.
So that is where everything is at to date.
Now I'm going back to my snort-fort.
I'll post when...I've strangled someone..hung myself...or finally finished betsyd32.

Argh.
I'm so close I can taste it.
I couldn't let go of the issue surrounding live iso/ usb distro use.
I have been plugging away at the conundrum ...
This is the problem.
After the entirety of scratchbox and the sdk is installed (regardless if it is for bora, diablo or fremantle)
the issue is thus.
and the issue is more far reaching than I initially assumed.
So some input here would be helpful guys.
Since my brain is goo from:
keeping 3 separate platforms (bora, diablo, fremantle) in my head along with all the devel. tools and environs specific to each and making them all work properly in LMDE2Betsy.

I know I am close...really...really really close.
But I can't see it.

Here is the problem...
After a ton of looking at the problem...and it isn't pinned to some inadequacy or failing in "Systemback" ...or any other type of cloning or usb/dvd/sd card live distro creation tool (I know of)...
there are multiple mount points inside the betsybf32 the betsyd32 and the betsyf32.
this "multiple" is due to the presence of scratch and the sdk of course.
Soooo...whenever some decent program tries to create a live distro from it or clone it (from inside the running instance of betsy~32)...
It'll clone or write the iso..but it doesn't and won't capture the additional mount points..
Soooo...you have a perfectly fine copy ...without scratchbox and the sdk at all ..inside the copy.

Perhaps it is apparent what I'm missing...but I cannot see it.
Likewise...I'm not entirely sure there is a live usb creation tool nor a cloning tool that can handle creating from a partition with multiple mount points inside.

Perhaps "outside" the system is the only way...with having the system not running and then execute such cloning and or live distro tools? And pray the process takes...
ie: clone the partition using Parted Magic on a bootable usb.

Sooo....if someone can point out what is staring me in the face that I cannot see, orif anyone has suggestions, ideas, or can point to programs or software which "can" do what is needed...
it would be appreciated.

edit : At the moment I'm seeing what comes of cloning and image creation via Parted Magic.
I'll post results afterward.

Hmmm.
Something didn't work there..
I'll have to figure out what didn't work...
dd..
symlinking
binding
none of it took proper...
I'm thinking I must have turned left instead of right somewhere...
I'll figure out the prob.
and I'll get it onto a live distributable distro properly.

Done.
Solution achieved.
I suggest going straight here
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...78#post1472078

Debian repository for scratchbox hathor is no longer available. Is there any alternative location ?