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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc
I don't say its bad, its totally strategic right decision for a Jolla. However I think its bad that SoC manufactors only has Android drivers. I see this as a problem on "lowend/midend" embedded products too (not related to smartphone or tablets).
This is not as bad as it sounds.
They will be able to rely on properly mantained drivers, plus provide full compatibility in one shot. In terms of licensing, however, well,...
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Too be offtopic but if I remember correct the most natural 2nd language in europe is German. Except northeurope where we naturally has english 2nd. And for some wierd reason Finland still has swedish as second language if i remember correct
Believe it or not, there's a higher % of Chinese who speak English as a 2nd primary language than there is English speakers who speak Chinese as a 2nd primary language.
That will change longer term, but it's not the reality nowadays...
The same holds true for continental Europe, the language that's deferred to as a 2nd primary language before everything else is English, that's just the reality.
English is the "lingua franca" of the world nowadays, if you want to be top-notch with your messaging you defer to English 1st, Finnish is way down the ladder (other languages before Finnish).
English should be the default & Mandarin should be a very close 2nd, so far there's been little emphasis on either (esp. Mandarin), it's been Finnish, Finnish, & more Finnish.
Nope, they've said quite clearly that they intend to extend beyond Finland very quickly, EU/China is their primary initial focus.
However my english still sucks. I should have been more active at the english lesson in school...
I think europe and US needs to start learn Chinese too..
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Originally Posted by jalyst
I agree that English can be considered the lingua franca, at least at commercial level, but I still insist that when a reporter comes to you and asks to you in Finnish and you speak Finnish, then you respond in Finnish and the reporter reports in Finnish. I do work in the northern European countries every now and then, and while their education is fantastic to say the least and speaking fluently 2 languages is the norm, they still do use their primary language very often. So, I don't see anything wrong with www.digitoday.fi to report in Finnish.
Believe it or not, there's a higher % of Chinese who speak... English is the "lingua franca" of the world nowadays,
That being said, I do expect the same message to be officially translated eventually, when it makes sense for Jolla to do it.
Originally Posted by jalyst
Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry if I was ambiguous.
Nope, they've said quite clearly that they intend to extend beyond Finland very quickly, EU/China is their primary initial focus.
This is becoming too off topic, so I think I'll stop for now - it does look like we are on the same page, just with different expectations ;-) All this Jolla chatter reminds me of when the N9 started shipping, except that the time period is extended tenfold.
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Jeez. Dumb comment, even by current TMO standards.
Again with messaging "1st & foremost" to Finland, **** the rest of the world... >.>
They have been doing interviews with media everywhere there has been interest. For a small startup they have gotten decent amount of media exposure, even from abroad, but for bleedingly obvious reasons, its mostly local media thats interested about them.Thus most of the media stuff about them is in finnish.
Its not like they can demand the BBC to a a special in glorious queen's english about them, but please continue bitching about it.
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The only official finnish communication I've seen from Jolla so far is the thank you note that came with my t-shirt and the .fi version of their homepage. Hardly too much.
In fact, I would say that they have done far too little official communication in finnish. They need to break big with the finnish launch in order to open markets in Europe. How about actual real marketing around the release to markets? Otherwise they'll be just Yet Another Linux Freedom ******** Failure selling stuff microcoscopic niche and going bankrupt soon.
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so they are going down the ubuntu road. Cool.
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Originally Posted by ggabriel
Being approached primarily by Finnish speakers/reporters is no excuse...
I agree that English can be considered the lingua franca, at least at commercial level, but I still insist that when a reporter comes to you and asks to you in Finnish and you speak Finnish, then you respond in Finnish and the reporter reports in Finnish. I do work in the northern European countries every now and then, and while their education is fantastic to say the least and speaking fluently 2 languages is the norm, they still do use their primary language very often. So, I don't see anything wrong with www.digitoday.fi to report in Finnish. That being said, I do expect the same message to be officially translated eventually, when it makes sense for Jolla to do it.
If they're getting comms out regularly to Finnish reporters, then in the same breathe it should be going out in English/Mandarin.
Originally Posted by Rauha
Co's (small & large) can & do regularly canvass media outlets, that's part of the marketing process.
They have been doing interviews with media everywhere there has been interest. For a small startup they have gotten decent amount of media exposure, even from abroad, but for bleedingly obvious reasons, its mostly local media thats interested about them.Thus most of the media stuff about them is in finnish. Its not like they can demand the BBC to a a special in glorious queen's english about them, but please continue bitching about it.
It's clear that coverage has been biased towards catering to a Finnish audience, they can change that pattern of behaviour if they want.
They can "walk & chew gum" at the same time, that Finnish emphasis doesn't need to go whilst adding other streams.
All the streams are mostly self-perpetuating, they just need to set-up the framework...
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Are you confused, again, Dave?
so they are going down the ubuntu road. Cool.
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Sailfishos achieves compatibility with Android ecosystem. Great news! Press release and pics @ http://jolla.com/press/
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Originally Posted by praveenchand
Whole press release text:
Sailfishos achieves compatibility with Android ecosystem. Great news! Press release and pics @ http://jolla.com/press/
Sailfish OS achieves compatibility with Android ecosystem
HELSINKI – September 16, 2013.
Sailfish OS has achieved a major milestone whereby the OS is now compatible with the Android (TM) ecosystem, in terms of application and hardware compatibility.
Android applications run directly on Sailfish OS without any modifications
Users enjoying the unique gesture-based and modern
Sailfish OS user experience will be able to take full advantage of the Android application ecosystem available through various app stores globally. Jolla will co-operate with leading global app stores to ensure users can seamlessly download Android apps just as they would do on any Android device.
“For example, highly popular apps such as Instagram, WhatsApp and Spotify run directly on Sailfish OS. Also Chinese WeChat – already with over 400 million users – runs on Sailfish OS,” says Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki.
Sailfish OS runs on common Android hardware
Jolla has made a major breakthrough in Android hardware compatibility by developing Sailfish OS to run on common hardware produced for Android, particularly smartphones and tablets. Vendors interested to utilize Sailfish OS are now able to develop phones and tablets based on many different chipset and hardware configurations. This new level of compatibility will enable device vendors who use Sailfish OS to fully utilize the existing Android hardware ecosystem.
Jolla believes that this breakthrough offers growth opportunities of significant scale for Sailfish OS globally, especially in China. “We believe Sailfish with Android compatibility is a highly relevant mobile operating system option for major mobile companies in Europe and in Asia. We are already in discussions with several major Asian vendors regarding this opportunity,” says Tomi Pienimäki.
Next production batch will be opened for pre-orders this week
The last weeks have been very dynamic in the mobile industry and after the Microsoft-Nokia announcement the strategic position of Jolla and Sailfish OS has strengthened significantly.
“Due to extremely positive feedback and increased demand in the past weeks, we are offering another pre-order opportunity for our second production batch later this week through jolla.com. This will be targeted to Finnish customers who want to express their passion for the Finnish mobile industry,” Pienimäki concludes.
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That will change longer term, but it's not the reality nowadays...
The same holds true for continental Europe, the language that's deferred to as a 2nd primary language before everything else is English, that's just the reality.
English is the "lingua franca" of the world nowadays, if you want to be top-notch with your messaging you defer to English 1st, Finnish is way down the ladder (other languages before Finnish).
English should be the default & Mandarin should be a very close 2nd, so far there's been little emphasis on either (esp. Mandarin), it's been Finnish, Finnish, & more Finnish.
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