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	Copernicus	2013-04-30 , 17:49
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Originally Posted by Estel

BTW, Copernicus, I know that you never meant to create a standard, but from what you've described, it seems that you're getting best things from all words, with the "culmination" of Pierogi being able to control stateful AC's, no small feat.

Let me note that, right after crowing so much about controlling stateful ACs last week, I discovered that there is a mini-industry of "universal AC remote controls" out there. They can only control air conditioners, and they aren't programmable, but they do exist. Still, I think I've probably got the first true stateful AC IR controls on a programmable IR device.

Maybe, in the long run, after creating some way of config update, it would be good idea, to try upstreaming it? IT seems that you "standard" is going to be a very flexible and powerful one. Something, that all "for internal use" (i.e. virtually all "standards" present now) things are lacking.

Well, I do think that I'm nearing the sweet spot for the universe of powerful pocketable Linux computers that include consumer IR ports. Unfortunately, so far as I know, that universe consists solely of the N900.

The LIRC project was created for (and, for the most part, is still used by) folks who wanted to grab a random remote control, point it at their PC, and have the PC do something. For that purpose, the LIRC config file is very well constructed -- you can throw one together with minimal effort (even if you don't understand the protocol being used by the remote control), and since you don't really care about other remote controls or devices, you only ever need the one config file. I don't think what I'm doing would really be of interest to these folks...

But yeah, I do think that Pierogi could potentially be useful on other similar devices.

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	qwazix	2013-04-30 , 18:03
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In fact IR is coming back with a vengeance. Both the HTC One and Samsung GS4 sport an IR port and I think I saw one from LG if I am not mistaken. With Qt having now official support on android your universe just got bigger

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	Copernicus	2013-04-30 , 18:52
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Originally Posted by qwazix

In fact IR is coming back with a vengeance. Both the HTC One and Samsung GS4 sport an IR port and I think I saw one from LG if I am not mistaken. With Qt having now official support on android your universe just got bigger

Really!!! I haven't been looking at the Android world in years... Hmm, I should see about throwing an Android build together, and see if I can get a few beta-testers to try it out. (Assuming I can figure out how to create a Qt Android executable...)

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malfunctioning	2013-04-30 , 22:31
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

I picked up the data for Mitsubishi projector #1 from an LIRC config file. It purported to be used for an "HD1000" projector, although LIRC config files are entirely unreliable at recording the target device for a given keyset. Can you give me the model number of your device? Maybe I can find a better config... Thanks!

I see, thank you. My projector is an HC1500. I will look to see if I find something as well, and I'll let you know.

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	HtheB	2013-04-30 , 22:56
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thnx for the update!

I tried the MT-Logic keyset (and even the Dune one)... and the results:
no luck..

I have a Nintendo Wii U, the Wii U has also an IR port.
you can use it as a remote control. At the remote control settings from the Wii U, I can select the MT-Logic brand. It has 2 keysets in it, both don't work.

So it seems like it's a new keyset?...
(what about the NEC code?) I'm totally lost...

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	Copernicus	2013-04-30 , 23:44
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Originally Posted by HtheB

I have a Nintendo Wii U, the Wii U has also an IR port.
you can use it as a remote control. At the remote control settings from the Wii U, I can select the MT-Logic brand. It has 2 keysets in it, both don't work.

So it seems like it's a new keyset?...

It isn't necessarily a new keyset; it's just that there isn't enough support for the MT-Logic brand.

The fact that the Wii can't recognize it probably means that the commercial universal remote industry doesn't support it very well; and, the fact that config files can't be found at the LIRC or hifi-remotes websites means that there probably aren't all that many MT-Logic customers out there.

There is one more option -- you could reverse-engineer the original remote control yourself, if you're up for that kind of thing. I know that the LIRC server can do it fairly easily, if you've got a PC with an infrared receiver. (Most "media PCs" and most modern Macs have them these days.) This is, in fact, how most LIRC files are generated...

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	HtheB	2013-05-01 , 09:53
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

It isn't necessarily a new keyset; it's just that there isn't enough support for the MT-Logic brand. The fact that the Wii can't recognize it probably means that the commercial universal remote industry doesn't support it very well; and, the fact that config files can't be found at the LIRC or hifi-remotes websites means that there probably aren't all that many MT-Logic customers out there.

There is one more option -- you could reverse-engineer the original remote control yourself, if you're up for that kind of thing. I know that the LIRC server can do it fairly easily, if you've got a PC with an infrared receiver. (Most "media PCs" and most modern Macs have them these days.) This is, in fact, how most LIRC files are generated...

I have a Logitech Harmony 300 remote control. It's a remote control with USB, so you can connect it to the internet and download it to your remote control. The model can be found on the logitech website.

It does have a receiver aswell if the model isn't listed though.
any idea how we can get the info from the remote?

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quailstorm	2013-05-01 , 10:05
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Hello Copernicus!
I'd like to share some user experience with you. I've got two old CRT Samsung TVs. And mostly, the TV keyset one works well. But, I am able to select AV as an input source, but unable to revert back to coaxial antenna.
Also I'm able to use teletext, but unable to go back to TV. On the original remote controllers, it's the same button. Pressing txt button only changes the backgroung from black to transparent.
Can you do anything?
Also, I see you've added air conditioners. Please add a Thomson keyset if you can.
Thank you for your great app!
(I've got a Thomson universal remote controller too, and it's able to switch between tv/av.)

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	Copernicus	2013-05-01 , 11:26
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Originally Posted by HtheB

I have a Logitech Harmony 300 remote control. ...
any idea how we can get the info from the remote?

Actually, I've got a Harmony remote myself. And man, I've gotta say, those things are so frustrating... I shelled out the bucks on it years ago, thinking it was the holy grail of programmable remote controls. The truth is, Logitech keeps such an iron grip on the thing, you can hardly do anything with it. You can't program it (or, at least, I don't think you can _legally_ program it) without accessing Logitech's website to do so. And even then, the ways in which you can program it are limited to their views of what a macro should be.

I ended up hardly ever using the thing. Heck, even if you could download the info in the remote, I suspect Logitech would sue you or something. As you can tell, I'm not a real fan of the brand...

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	Copernicus	2013-05-01 , 11:53
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Originally Posted by quailstorm

I've got two old CRT Samsung TVs. And mostly, the TV keyset one works well. But, I am able to select AV as an input source, but unable to revert back to coaxial antenna.

Hmm. Sounds like I don't have quite the right config file for your TV. If you're using the 1.1 version of Pierogi (from the extras-devel repository), you can get to a more complete set of input controls by switching to the "Television Panels" (using the icon that looks like a folder in the upper right corner), and then selecting the "input" panel. The "Antenna" button there should hopefully let you switch back to antenna input.

I'll see if I can find some more Samsung files. (BTW, can you give me the model number(s) of the TVs? That might help.)

Also I'm able to use teletext, but unable to go back to TV. On the original remote controllers, it's the same button.

Ah! Now this is a situation where I could use some help. I live in the US, where teletext sadly doesn't exist, so I really have no idea what I'm doing when I try to map teletext buttons. Right now, what I've got as "Teletext" for the Samsung TV keyset 1 is listed in the config file as "TTX/MIX"; can you tell me how the actual Teletext/TV button is labeled? (Also, are there other Teletext controls you need? I'm really not even sure how Teletext is used...)