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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
people who buy a SGS2 will be getting a 4.3" screen with a fastest SoC outside of the iphone4s.
* The price is lower than Iphone and around same as SGS2 in sweden and it will probadly go down in some months. this is always the same early adaptors pay higher prices same goes for every damn device released!
the BOM for an N9 should be very similar to the LG Optimus Black P970, and that is around £300 sim-free rather than £450.
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2011-10-09
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I wasn't asking for another response to that part of my post.
At this current rate, you're saying don't put money into Microsoft's pocket. But how will you accomplish that? If you buy Android, they get a piece of it. Due to the strategic partnership, you're doing that very same thing (putting money into Microsoft's pocket) via a Nokia N9 purchase. And if you buy WP7, you're still putting money in Microsoft's pocket. Only iOS really is free from that aforementioned cycle of money to Microsoft. Well that and the one I don't consider a personal option - Symbian.
But since you've decided to address it again...
I think you misunderstood my OP. I will be supporting MS directly eventually.
But not until I've backed Meltemi (N9), & Android (SNP).
Then it's a toss-up between iOS (iP6) or WP (?)...
Unless something more concrete starts to hit the headlines for Tizen.
Then it'll jump ahead of those two....
I realise N9/Android leads to some money going back to MS, but not to the same degree.
It's about offering more solid support to the platforms I first mentioned.
Buy paying the vendors directly, & then getting involved in the community etc.
blurb about MS not having a hand in anything
Just look at their track-record, it's not at all rosy when it comes to open-source.
I know the situation we find ourselves in is mostly due to yrs of incompetence by Nokia.
But MS stepped-in at the right time to exploit that, as they've done w/other OSS stuff over the yrs.
They've changed their tone somewhat in recent years...
And even started dabbling in some F/OSS themselves, but there's still amends to be made.
If you don't mind...
I'd rather not debate along these lines any more, I want to focus on more interesting stuff
Pertaining Mexico, after confirming (crap, I need to update that other thread) that EN-US from the user there as well as via w00t here at TMO will not indeed cost extra, the 64gb is still not even showing up in their lists. The standing offer for a 16gb Black still stands, still at the same price. But those dudes are sorta in the dark still by Nokia. They're not happy about that.
And they do not have huge numbers in Mexico, when the interest picked up on it, my friend sorta panicked and has been trying to get the 64gb information as soon as he could.
Sorry to hear that. Well, if things start to get really dire.
I may consider helping people get some from here (Australia).
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2011-10-09
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Originally Posted by marxian
In the countries it's being released, its on time. According to media launch in sept, Nokia said arrival early oct. It's here 7 Oct
It seems that the number of people becoming tired of Nokia is growing at a considerable rate. The sad thing is that most of the concerns are not technical in nature, but are instead regarding the inability of Nokia to produce and sell a phone in a timely and well-organised fashion.
2nd wave, 14 Oct in China. 3rd = November, another few more Asia countries.
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2011-10-09
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Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix
It's far from being as simple as that. You need to dissect it way more.
people who buy a SGS2 will be getting a 4.3" screen with a fastest SoC outside of the iphone4s.
the BOM for an N9 should be very similar to the LG Optimus Black P970, and that is around £300 sim-free rather than £450.
So you're saying it should be the same price as a ph that's been out for at least 4mth?
And uses an OS that the vendor's put tiny amts of $/time into compared to Nokia?
Besides, apart from CPU/GPU it doesn't measure up on specs at all:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_black_p970-3704.php
IPS LCD? At that pixel density who cares, CBD AMOLED's a way better option.
Just to mention one thing... And compared to the SGSII...
-N9 Screen
Higher pixel density.
Brighter
Better in higher light environments
Arguably better aspect ratio
Most who've compared both screens, actually prefer the N9's, despite SGSII's touted "super" & "+"
-64GB
SGSII can take greater than 32GB mSDXC, but SD3.0 support isn't there, so you'll have to format to fat32 & fall back to class10(?) mSDHC.
So you may as well buy mSDHC which doesn't follow spec above 32GB, but I believe can still go up to about 64GB. Beyond that it's mSDXC at crazy prices.
-BT4.0
-NFC (& various applications around that, except secure payments)
-Prolly missing something
Think SGSII may support these too:
-802.11A (no HDMI/MHL but that's what this is for, DLNA daemon/server there, GUI still coming)
-FMRX/RDS (possibly FMTX, looking unlikely)
It remains to be seen what areas the GPU/CPU subsystem offer huge advantages...
As far as we've been able to tell so far, it's really only in games & 1080 vid out/recording.
But the latter two may be hacked-in anyway, time will tell (t'will be quite resource heavy of course).
You can't just say: "Oh, it has a beefier CPU/GPU, so it's win", they're totally different software stacks.
Camera on SGSII seems better, just, but that's still up for debate.
On raw specs the N9 should be as good, or slightly better.*
So it may simply be that some sw twks are needed, remember the SGSII has been on the market for 6mth+
Plus there's still plenty of movement in price to be had...
For freaks sake the thing has only been out for about 5-days here!
The 64GB's already at parity with the SGSII where I am, dunno about the rest of the world.
*except that the senor it uses may be slightly older (but more mature) tech, so this may be the reason for the poorer perf, YTBC.
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Originally Posted by Cue
Absolutely, I don’t have a belief system or ideology about Nokia, Android, Apple or Microsoft.
Mike, please calm down. Not sure how you got all that from afaq's post but nobody is saying one is better than the other, people are still on the fence and they don't pledge allegiance to either OS. Let go of this "Us vs Them" mentality.
I will admit to some customer / brand loyalty to Nokia, because I have enjoyed their products for over 13 years – up to and including my N900.
I’m just hoping to gain as much information to make an informed purchase decision.
Last month the N9 looked adequate, then the Samsung Nexus Prime comes along and it seems to match and better it on many levels (plus it looks as if it will be available in the UK without having to beg).
I would love to have both side by side to compare them.
Things that catch my attention are:
VNC client / viewer
USB connectivity
Video out (rather HDMI out)
Emulators
Music Player
FM Radio RX / Radio TX
BBC iplayer compatibility
Copy and Paste
Web browser – yes that includes Adobe Flash Support
Sky Go / Sky TV compatibility (currently only iphone I think)
Maps / Navigation
All obvious stuff, nothing hacker essential or dependent on open source...
...just a good elegant phone that lasts a day before needing to be charged.
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2011-10-09
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Originally Posted by oweng
Why not get both like me & continue to support Maemo?
Absolutely, I don’t have a belief system or ideology about Nokia, Android, Apple or Microsoft.
I will admit to some customer / brand loyalty to Nokia, because I have enjoyed their products for over 13 years – up to and including my N900..
I don't care about supporting Nokia so much....
But I want something like Maemo to continue to have a chance.
Of course the N9 doesn't have a chance against the Prime, even if it's OS is marginally better, the overall hw is just too good.
But it definitely does have a chance against the SGSII.
And besides, do you know when exactly the Prime's coming to the UK?
For all you know it may not be till Dec. or later...
Plus IIRC, we found variant codes of the N9 for Ireland.
So it may well be coming to your region in the coming weeks.
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Great phone, fun phone. WHO care about upcoming phones. Live your life and buy a phone today. You might be dead tomorrow.
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2011-10-09
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
Praise the lord for my N900!
Great phone, fun phone. WHO care about upcoming phones. Live your life and buy a phone today. You might be dead tomorrow.
Should I buy a second one?
The phone might be able to multi-task but I can't.
I think one phone is enough for me thanks.
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2011-10-09
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Actually I was wrong there...
Yikes dual-band 802.11gn (Nexus Prime passing through FCC)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/08/g...ing-to-atandt/
Pisses on N9's 802.11an....
ICS leaks
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/i...load-previews/
Dual-band does not = simultaneous dual-band.
So it's no better than the N9 in this area.
Originally Posted by catbus
What are you guys talking about, where are these videos you speak of?
And on video 25/28 they really talk about flash... woot?
Originally Posted by Drekkie
Well, you can start biting your nails again...
wait was this confirmed? well if this is true, paired with lack of gapless playback i can rest well now without the thing.
at least i can say i was here for almost all of this thread. that seems like a contest worth enough effort to be awarded an N9 for.
Because both are supported nicely in what seem to be excellent 3rd party apps.
Can't test them until I've bought my N9, which I may or may not do tomorrow.
Originally Posted by scapegoat845
Has more info. come out proving beyond doubt that Meltemi = Maemo6x+Qt5x+SwipeUX ??
That, & the fact that their "low end" Meltemi devices will have nearly the same specs as the N9.
Thus making it nothing more than a mid-low end device for 600+USD. Still on the fence.....
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
Pfft, you decided the day you first started posting in this thread.
I decided not to get it. will wait for 4 months and see what happens to prices
Originally Posted by afaq
Exactly, which is why I'll be investing in the N9 and a new Android Ph.
No company or brand has a monopoly on my future devices or wallet and nor should it on anyone else's.
Then a bit later an iOS or WP ph, or maybe a Tizen, if rumours are solid enough.
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Questiuon is what is theyr point? Again try too convinvce everyone too go for Android or what?
I dont mind if people gives good arguments like the facts that it seems SGS2 takes better inside photos than N9.
Atleast this such stuff can make Nokia to take some more time too improve the camera/jpeg compression.
But for those repeating Adobe Flash is not supported. We already know this! We already knows that OMAP3 is "old" we already knows that Nokia mainos is WP7. If you dont like this facts well go for something else. Dont bother repeating this over and over and over again. It's just pointless imho..-
And whats the point saying "Nokia sucks/N9 is old" over and over again?
Are you people paided by Google saying this or what? Probadly not but...
In both cases you doesn't convince anyone go for Android you in worst case will be added to N9 users ignore list....
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